NSR: Literature thread

Discussion in 'Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, & the former Soviet Repu' started by yasik19, Nov 2, 2007.

  1. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
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    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    It's mostly about Karpaty......it's a lot harsher on Red Star Belgrade and Serbia.
     
  2. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
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    That was the best chapter of the book probably, the Serbia one. But he comes off as rather anti-Ukrainian but maybe it isn't so bad if I read it again.
     
  3. Real Corona

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    Jan 19, 2008
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    As I remember it, (I read the book several years ago), it was mostly about how some black players were essentially novelty items to the locals.
     
  4. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
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    I would say that's putting it rather likely. From my viewpoint he has an axe to grind with Ukrainians, it's not just racism that he mentions. But again, maybe I'll have to read the chapter again but I think I remember the tone pretty clearly.
     
  5. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

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    I haven't read it for awhile like I said, but I don't remember it being all that bad.
     
  6. yasik19

    yasik19 Moderator
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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    I mostly got that since Karpaty was the first Ukrainian team to have black Nigerian players, there were elements of nationalism and xenophobia. I honestly didn't get much anti-Ukraine feeling from that chapter.

    As a side note, it was cool to read about Chelsea (for obvious reasons) and Brazilian corruption given the fact that I just spent some time there.
     
  7. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
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    I just finished a boring treatise on Maimonides and a pretty good read on the Decline and Fall of Ottoman Empire.

    P.S. Anyone familiar with Absurdistan?
     
  8. yasik19

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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    I heard about that book, but haven't read it.

    Saw Maimonide statue in Cordoba.

    Reading the biography of Bismarck.
     
  9. goliath74

    goliath74 Member

    May 24, 2006
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
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    I suggest picking it up. I can not imagine a better book of fiction describing the chaos and absurd of the post-Soviet Russia and CIS. I finished it last month and planning to buy the follow-up tome.
     
  10. Shevafan

    Shevafan Member

    Feb 1, 2011
    Toronto
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    written by?
     
  11. yasik19

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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    Erich Eyck
     
  12. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
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    I'm assuming that no one here has read Irvine Welsh's stuff. He's the author of Trainspotting.
     
  13. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    NorCal
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    Is that the book/movie about heroin addiction. You know someone told me about this a month ago and now your'e the third independent source I've heard this from. I guess I have to see it now
     
  14. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
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    You haven't seen it? It's like my favorite movie ever man. The book itself is just as good and I highly recommend it. I love Scotland.
     
  15. rbubela

    rbubela Member

    Feb 17, 2009
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    Nope. My russian reading skills are below average. I can navigate my way through an Azbuka, but something as heavy as Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, forget about it. Whenever my buddy sees me reading a russian authors in english, his now predictable response is "you know how much is lost in translation, you really should be reading it in Russian." Ironically, he's never read much russian lit. As for poetry...I try to read the likes of Lermentov, Mayakovsky, and Ahmetova in russian.
     
  16. yasik19

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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    I would certainly hope so....reading poetry in another language would be horrible.
     
  17. yasik19

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    Chelsea
    Ukraine
    Oct 21, 2004
    Daly City
    So finished that bio of Bismarck. Not the best biography I've read, as it's a bit dry and focuses way too much on internal politics of 19th century Prussia and Austria. Nevertheless, it was an interesting book. Maybe nicephoras can recommend a better book on Bismarck, as he's our resident history buff.

    Going to start either a bio on Ho Chi Minh or read about the 30-year war.
     
  18. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    I've not read it myself, but I've heard the Steinberg biography of Bismarck is excellent.
     
  19. Shevafan

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    Feb 1, 2011
    Toronto
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    I would stay away from Jewish author German history books.
     
  20. nicephoras

    nicephoras A very stable genius

    Fucklechester Rangers
    Jul 22, 2001
    Eastern Seaboard of Yo! Semite
    Why?
     
  21. Dimuha

    Dimuha Member

    Oct 18, 2007
    northpole Chicago
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    CSKA Moskva
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    I think you stay away from books in general.
     
  22. goliath74

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    May 24, 2006
    Hollywood, FL, United States
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
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    Ukraine
    I have several Jewish historian authored books on German history on my shelf. I would say they're quite good. A good historian should have no bias.
     
  23. odessit19

    odessit19 Member+

    Dec 19, 2004
    My gun safe
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    "No Easy Day" by former SEAL Mark Owen
    If you are into these type of book - it's an awesome read. Special kind of men ...
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  24. Zenit

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    I also thought it was a good, quick read. Pretty interesting info fills on the back story.

    Late to the party, but I finally started and finished "World War Z." What a phenomenal book. I am now quite convinced the zombie apocalypse is indeed on its way.
     
  25. loden

    loden Member

    Jan 2, 2005
    Forest Hills, NY
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    FC Dynamo Kyiv
    To me there's only one Spec Ops book worth reading - Dick Marcinko "Rogue Warrior". That book is a riot. He is the legendary founder of Seal Team 6.
     

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