NPSL vs. PDL

Discussion in 'NPSL' started by Ravorg, Aug 30, 2011.

  1. mynameisedson

    mynameisedson Member

    Sep 4, 2011
    It was a personal conversation with a president of a PDL team. It was just a conversation so I don't remember the details or exact amount or details.
     
  2. Gareth

    Gareth Member

    Dec 13, 2000
    In the late 90s early 2000s, there was a deal for 4 years which basically gave MLS first dibs on anyone they wanted from all levels of the USL. Each year there was a $250,000 fund that was divided between the teams that had players entering MLS that year. If i remember correctly the previous 3 years counted, so if a player had played 1 year in pdl, 1 year in d3 and 1 year in the a league, then each of those teams got a piece.
     
  3. Epikoinos

    Epikoinos Soccer player-coach-manager-journalist

    Arsenal, Real Salt Lake, Forward Madison
    United States
    Jan 6, 2004
    Oregon, WI
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some names of NPSL players who went on to pro careers from the league's old blog

    http://npslinsider.wordpress.com/npsl-players-turned-pro/

    There have been more since this list was made a few years ago. I came up with these just from the Midwest Division off the top of my head; I'm sure there are plenty from other regions.

    JC Banks, Madison 56ers to USL PRO Rochester Rhinos
    Scott Lorenz, Madison 56ers to Sporting Kansas City
    Alex Horwath, Madison 56ers to New York Red Bulls
    Andy Adlard, Milwaukee Bavarians and Madison 56ers to Columbus Crew
    Zeke Dombrowski, Milwaukee Bavarians to Wilmington Hammerheads
    Matt Pyzdrowski, Milwaukee Bavarians, now with Angelholms (Swedish second division)
    Greg Rosenthal, St. Paul Twin Stars to Gamla Upsala (Swedish fourth division)
    Jules Alex Nyom, St. Paul Twin Stars to RoPS (Finland)
     
  4. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    GK Shuttleworth from FC Buffalo City to the New England Revs
     
  5. Epikoinos

    Epikoinos Soccer player-coach-manager-journalist

    Arsenal, Real Salt Lake, Forward Madison
    United States
    Jan 6, 2004
    Oregon, WI
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, I didn't mention him because he is on the page I linked to.
     
  6. SheffWedFan

    SheffWedFan Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Thousand Oaks, CA
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Ryan Guy played a couple of games for San Diego Flash this year before going to the Revs.

    There have also been some NPSL-to-USL Pro stories, especially Pittsburgh Riverhounds picking up players from Pocono Snow.
     
  7. snahdog

    snahdog Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Atlanta
    From Atlanta FC (now Silverbacks Reserves), Junior Sandoval and Shaka Bangura both got signed with the Puerto Rico Islanders.
     
  8. snahdog

    snahdog Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Atlanta
    Oh, and Eric Ati just got moved from the reserves to the Silverbacks Pro team.
     
  9. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Guy scored 2 nice ones for the Revs to help NE have a respectable score line vs. Chicago yesterday.
     
  10. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bklyn Royals Fan repped this.
  11. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A PDL franchise fee can be between $100,000-200,000.

    An NPSL franchise fee is around $7,500-8,000.

    No doubt about it...PDL has been more successful since it has been around MUCH longer. This NPSL has only been around since 2002. They started with like 6 teams in California. The 2013 season will see PDL and NPSL each having around 60-65 teams. There's no reason why we won't see more NPSL teams popping up. The structure is there for anyone to have an NPSL team and be successful.

    I could end up seeing the NPSL being two-tiered like the WPSL is. There could end up being an "Elite" level and a lower below.
     
    brentgoulet repped this.
  12. Bklyn Royals Fan

    United States
    Jan 17, 2008
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps in the future, we'll start seeing the NPSL champion take on the PDL champion?
     
  13. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not an awful idea.

    The one bummer about it is the season is already long enough. The NPSL championship is at the end of July. Any games after that would really be pushing it for the amateur players that are still connected with college teams.
     
  14. texas_soccer

    texas_soccer New Member

    Jul 8, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Your quote for the PDL franchise fee is way out. You should be able to run a PDL team through the PDL season for less than 100k which includes a 1st year only franchise fee. After that initial year, you could realistically run it for 40-50k quite easily.

    NPSL would be substantially more than your quote as well if you include full full running costs for the season.
     
  15. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you serious? Did you even follow the links? They aren't even "my quotes."

    I also know what the NPSL is...from experience (although I have only quoted what the franchise fee is, nothing more, nothing less -- obviously the operating budget is different AND more). I didn't even need a link for that one. Thank you.
     
  16. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the last I checked on this was back in 2008-2009 and the USL PDL expansion franchise fee was $75K and the NPSL expansion franchise fee was $5K. So I'm reasonably sure that they have increased since then. I would venture an educated guess and say that $100K to $125K for entry into the USL PDL at this time would be reasonable.
     
  17. keem-o-sabi

    keem-o-sabi Member

    Sep 7, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you can honestly say that to run a NPSL team effectively you're looking at 20k-30k annually. The teams for the most part are closer together and you play less matches. The biggest cost is travel (although the home team pays for hotels if they are needed). To join the league is 12k membership fee.

    The PDL is 50k to join now (I believe that is the current cost, not 75k). From what I gather it is probably 40-50k to run a team. I don't see how it would cost more than that past the initial franchise fee which I believe is payable over the first 3 years.

    Between the two you'll see they are the same size; however, the NPSL is run on a very bare bones budget. A little chaotic as everyone has an equal vote (which has it's good points and bad) as they aren't selling franchises.

    PDL is much more professionally run, has full time staff and a much more integrated pyramid.

    I think I've said this here (or maybe the NAS email list). It is fantastic to see 120-130 teams at the 4th tier of soccer in this country. Think back to say 2002 - we were just starting to put our country in the right direction, had what 12 teams in MLS, and another 8-10 teams in the USL 1st Division, and about 70 Amateur teams in the 4th tier (NPSL/PDL). Now we have 19 MLS teams (20 soon), a 2nd division that is starting to gain traction with standards put in place by US Soccer, a pretty solid third division in USL Pro (and hopefully the integration of MLS reserve teams in the next few years), 130 4th tier teams, plus now the US Soccer Developmental Academy feeding those.

    For just over 10 years, that is significant progress. We aren't Europe/South America, but this is the start of something that will eventually lead to our better players getting exposed to higher and higher levels of the game. It will only help the NPSL/PDL getting players like that too (the young one's getting into the senior levels of the game and the old guys looking to kick the ball competitively outside of a pub league [the NPSL is not a pub league anymore] for a year or two more).
     
    Bklyn Royals Fan and brentgoulet repped this.
  18. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. keem-o-sabi

    keem-o-sabi Member

    Sep 7, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess I don't know everything haha! It was at 75k then went to 50k a couple years ago when the NPSL raised theirs to 12k. So start up is much more, but the annual expenditures should still be pretty much about the same.
     
  20. amancalledmikey

    Oct 27, 2003
    I have a bindle at this point...
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I would think that the area of the country you're in also makes a difference. If you're in the Pacific Northwest, there is no NPSL. If you're in the Bay Area, there is no PDL.
     
  21. texas_soccer

    texas_soccer New Member

    Jul 8, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I generally don't follow outdated links but hey, if you want to read information that's years old, carry on.
     
  22. texas_soccer

    texas_soccer New Member

    Jul 8, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    That website link is outdated Mike and fees are more in line with Chris' quoted fees.
     
  23. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well Texas, what I can say is that it's currently on the USL PDL website...and the one thing that I can say as a positive about the USL as compared to the NPSL, their website and updates and information provided is far superior.
     
  24. texas_soccer

    texas_soccer New Member

    Jul 8, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I agree Mike, the USL website is updated well with information but your link is still an old one.

    This is the current PDL Franchise Discovery page
    http://www.uslsoccer.com/Discover/PDL/index_E.html

    You can tell the difference with the divisional tabs. Your link has the old division format of USL First Division & Two which we all know now longer exists.

    There's also the Nike sponsor as opposed to the old Umbro one.
     

Share This Page