Not here to Bale you Out- The Other Teams' Thread - [R]

3-1 to Arsenal in the 80th minute

The race for the Fourth Place Trophy will be tight

 

Still think Le Arse nip it. Everton HAS to beat Citeh and not slip up another time.

 

Yes, the point is, it wasn't just the incident itself... it was what happened AFTERWARDS with certain police officers working to create misinformation and misdirection, actually changing witness statements, etc. etc

Anyway, as you go on to say, it was a sad and sorry day for the football 'family', which includes Chelsea, obviously.

 

Let's be honest, if Lukaku comes back to us next season or we loan him out elsewhere, do we really want Everton fighting it out for a CL place instead of Arsenal? Once Ozil, Ramsey, Walcott and the rest are fit and in decent form again, they're a decent side and will give a better showing than the toffees.

I mean, no offence to the toffess but I think Arsenal are a better side, tbh.

 

Arsenal are a better side and would do better in Europe but I think the if Arsenal / United, of course united are out but if Arsenal also end up out of the CL it would do the league better. Liverpool would keep Suarez, and spend big to stay in the top four. Arsenal / United would both have to invest heavily to try to rejoin the top four. And Everton will get some extra funds to invest in some players, I don't see them staying in the top four while playing in Europe but overall we would see Liverpool retain their best player and one of if not the best in the league currently in Suarez, and Arsenal / United would invest much more than if they were in the CL and Everton would have extra funds to invest.

The more quality in the prem the better, although teams in the Spanish, french, or German leagues have it easier each week and can rest key players before European nights, I love the competitiveness of the epl.

 

I still think long term, Suarez goes to Spain. It's tough for Liverpool. Do they cash in on 60m quid which is likely what he'd fetch or do they hold on to him. Without him, I'm not sure they're top 4. With him and no other competitions to fight in, their top 4. I'm not sure what kind of treasure chest FSG is willing to give, but could you imagine if they're willing to spend say 50m quid plus the sale of Suarez? They go from a good team with depth issues, to a side that can compete on all fronts.

And I stand by my comments earlier. Our league, even with the debacle at WHL last summer, has tons of money to spend. Yes the Spuds didn't spend it well, but there were only a few who were questioning the purchases. Most, myself included, was looking up North and thinking, bloody hell, they are going to be a tough out. It's always easy in hindsight to judge. The same could have been said for young Mr. Henderson at Liverpool. He was written off, but here he is, one of the better players in the league this season. Completing more passes than anyone outside of Yaya. Someone with more knowledge than me, which frankly, is everyone here can give the exact amount, but doesn't promotion warrant 15m quid? I've never seen a window like last season. Norwich, Swansea, Cardiff, Soton, Everton, and Sunderland spent money like I haven't seen before. It doesn't always work out, but I'd much rather see this, than the opposite. Last summer will be the norm going forward as money continues to flow into the league. Just think if Tottenham get a competent manager(Sherwood might be it), Newcastle get a competent owner, West Ham get rid of Fat Head, Liverpool finally get BACK to the CL, and Everton get in there. That's a lot of quid to spend.

Looking up if you ask me.

 

Used to love that league. Now it's shite.

 

Different expectations, Gerrard has been underwhelming given what he promised much like Rooney.

Keane has been extremely bitter about United and Fergie since he was kicked out of the club. It is not as if he doesn't carry a grudge.


Fantastic post KDB.

 

I disagree with this. I don't think Liverpool could ask for more out of him. It is kinda like saying Shearer promised much but never delivered while at newcastle.

 

IIRC when Bitey McBiteman was out with his ban, Liverpool's results weren't a lot worse... I mean, not like they have been over the past 10 games, (and we don't know if that's going to continue, do we), but this season after Suarez came back, apart from this latest spell.

He'll be a loss but not as bad as some have predicted plus, as you say, they can always bring in someone else to do a job.

 

Well that's two fold. Firstly, Sturridge might be the second best striker in the league. If not the 2nd, then easily the 3rd with Aguerro in front of him. So when Suarez was out, Sturridge filled in nicely. There's drop off there, but not much, say like if Le Arse lost Girroud. So having a really good deputy helped Liverpool immensely. Secondly, Liverpool didn't have to play in Europe this season. Spuds, Swansea, Yanited, Citeh, Le Arse, and us did and I think Newcastle might have been in Europe as well. That's their main competition in the league. With only having to focus on domestic results and mainly the league, it isn't any wonder that they've had an uptick in results this term.

There isn't a ton of depth at Anfield. The difference maker is Rodgers. He's really just that good. Losing Suarez would be a blow, but something tells me that Rodgers would get who he wants and get it right.


At this point I'm more curious to watch the final four matches for this lot. Losing Sturridge potentially to injury and Henderson to suspension might be their undoing. We'll have to wait and see. For us to win the league, we need more than a win at Anfield. We need Citeh to drop points. Not sure that's going to happen, but I also thought that Citeh would be Liverpool.

Buckle up, this will be the best finish in the league in a very long time. 3 teams in with a shout and about 6 teams in the relegation zone.

 

Also, don't underestimate the fact that all 3 of last season's top 3 had new managers (half-new for Chelsea).

Continuity is a positive as well under a half-decent manager.

 

I remember it very well. I also remember Heysel in 1985. I remember Kenny Dalglish on the telly blaming Chelsea fans masquerading as Liverpool supporters for the manslaughter/murder inflicted on the innocent. John Smith, the Liverpool chairman at the time, also blamed Chelsea fans for Heysel. I am no stranger to the scouser mentality – criminal minds that will do or say anything to avoid admitting responsibility for their crimes,

Oh what lovely supporters. . .Flash forward to 2007 and Liverpool fans in Athens stealing Final tickets from children supporters of their own club. I have Never heard of any supporters of any other club ever doing something as despicable that. Stealing tickets of their fellow supporters. Words fail me. . .

Liverpool supporters have on more than one occasion charged turnstiles in massive numbers, setting up dangerous situations. . . it is what they do. A number of books written about the experiences of Liverpool fans in the 1970s and 1980s have mythologised bunking-in and the younger generation, seeking to emulate their elders, have little compunction about sneaking into a ground and occupying someone else’s seat. Countless occasions and incidents. . .

Hillsborough? I have sympathy. But to be honest - not that much.

 

You can make arguments that nearly every club is the worst if you take the actions of a small group and use that to describe their supporters. We have had incidents that were embarrassing as well.

That statement you made at the end is nearly as bad as what you described pool supporters doing. SMH

Hopefully no one uses your statement to describe chelsea fans.

 

Indeed...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Headhunters

Are THEY representative of most Chelsea supporters? Well, they don't represent me, that's for damned sure!

But I particularly like the bit towards the end...

In 2000, Chelsea Headhunters formed a temporary alliance with other British hooligans supporting Cardiff City, Swansea City, Rangers and Leeds United ​

I mean, violence, thuggery and even attempted murder is one thing... these things happen... but backing up LEEDS SUPPORTERS??? WTF?