No TV For Guatemala?

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Lloyd Heilbrunn, May 10, 2012.

  1. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope the USSF eats the rights to the final home match and refuses to let the game be seen in Guatemala. If Mediopro does this non sense again.
     
  2. FirstStar

    FirstStar Hustlin' for the USA

    Fulham Football Club
    Feb 1, 2005
    Time's Arrow
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow. Doesn't the Monroe Doctrine prohibit this behavior? If not, it should . . .
     
  3. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    Crossposted from another thread:

    Well, here we go again. Many of you may remember that USA at Honduras on 10 October 2009 was only available on closed-circuit TV. The USA clinched a World Cup berth by winning that game.

    Here's what I wrote then about whether you should pay to watch the game:

    My feelings are essentially the same this time, although it's fair to point out that if Honduras or Guatemala makes the hex, your decision to not go to a bar in October 2009 would have affected that bar's decision to purchase this game in June 2012, which may affect MediaPro's bid for the rights to one or more games in 2013. Nevertheless, if USA-Guatemala is only available on closed-circuit TV, I myself plan to be back at Molly Malone's, assuming they show the game.

    The other thread temporarily, and weirdly, devolved into jawdropping bigotry before the moderators cleaned it up. In hopes of inoculating this thread, here are some parenthetical comments.

    The Guatemalans I have met have uniformly been wonderful people. If Guatemalan hospitality isn't a cliche, it should be. Based on my limited experience, I love Guatemalan folk art and cooking (especially barbecue). People very close to me tell me that Guatemala itself is a beautiful country, though I've never been there. On the other hand, the Guatemalan soccer team has displayed a lot of dirty play in the past, although maybe that's improved in recent years.

    Whether you agree or disagree with those parenthetical comments, none of them have anything to do with the point of this thread, which is that another USA WCQ may end up on closed-circuit TV. No, that's not my preference; yes, it's ridiculous in this day and age that other soccer federations can do that to us; but if we get put in that position, I highly recommend supporting the team by going and watching the game anyway. If there's a bar in your area showing the game, it's a relatively easy way to earn some USA fandom street cred, for whatever that's worth.
     
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  4. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I quite enjoyed my Honduran-US fan 300-3 odds last time, but I still would prefer to watch at home.

    And the solution is still the same as it was last time: USSF refuses to give the foreign Fed rights to play any US based friendlies until they stop holding US TV rights hostage.
     
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  5. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Dear Dr. Gulati,

    This is an issue that we fans care about. It's worth going to battle over. Please play hardball.

    Sincerely,

    A fan of the USMNT (and probably a lot more than myself)

    PS Just bought a new 2012 home jersey and scarf. Love the new Waldo stripes. :)
     
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  6. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do we know what sort of bargaining power Gulati has in this scenario? Why would some media corporation in central america care what he thinks?
     
  7. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    The idea goes like this. Whenever we draw another team in a group, including the hex, USSF should call up their federation immediately and make some sort of deal. For example, USSF might trade Guatemalan rights to the game played in the USA for USA rights to the game played in Guatemala. Or USSF might sign an agreement with the other federation stating that both countries must sell the rights to buyers who will broadcast the game either on free airwaves or cable channels (i.e., not closed-circuit).

    The problem, of course, is that by the time another federation sells the rights to MediaPro, as FedefutGuate has done, it's too late. The only recourse is for ESPN or Fox Soccer to repurchase the rights from MediaPro. I'm not aware of such a repurchase ever having happened.
     
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  8. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea that's what I was thinking. Interesting that the home team has all the power re: television rights. You'd think that each federation would have rights to all games played by their national team in their own country, regardless of where the game is played.
     
  9. cpwilson80

    cpwilson80 Member+

    Mar 20, 2001
    Boston
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is MediaPro aware that it is 2012? Finding an online stream of this game for free will not be difficult.

    I paid $20 to watch a US away qualifier in 2001. A decade later, I'll be watching from the computer...
     
  10. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When the Honduras game was not on TV in October 2009, I don't remember reading about many people finding illegal streams of it.
     
  11. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I found a stream.
     
  12. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    At first it was tough to find one, but there were plenty by the end of the match.
     
  13. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    As a matter of principle, I respect intellectual property rights, so this is not an option for me.
     
  14. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd agree with you in the case of creatively constructed property, but not in this instance.
     
  15. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    haha I remember that. I was on some Honduran news website I think. The feed was pretty bad and hard to make out the players, made Conor Casey scoring all the more funny.
     
  16. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
    Club:
    FC Metalist Kharkiv
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Frankly it sucked, but the alternative was a four hour drive one way so.....
     
  17. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, I can't speak for those living out in the boonies (soccer wise), but in the thriving metropolis of Columbus, OH, it certainly won't be difficult to find a bar that will be showing it, for free.

    Call some friends up, head out, and have a bite and a beer and watch the US game with other like minded individuals. You may even meet someone interesting. We spend far too much time staring into computer (or phone) screens as it is. And suiting action to words, I'm out of here.
     
  18. MVsoccerDad

    MVsoccerDad Member

    Chattanooga Red Wolves SC
    United States
    Aug 12, 2009
    Chattanooga, TN
    Club:
    Chattanooga Football Club
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I did as well...
     
  19. BimmerBenz95

    BimmerBenz95 Member+

    Feb 24, 2012
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait was it the WCQ game where the US played in Central America and a bald guy scored I forgot his name I think it was Conor Casey and they were wearing the all navy blue jerseys? If so I found a stream for that game also.
     
  20. FW__

    FW__ Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Chattanooga, TN
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So did I
     
  21. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    I did too but I lost it in final 20 minutes and couldn't get another one, which sucked. Was forced to listen to Honduras radio, and thankfully I understand Spanish.

    Point is: TV over stream any time you can.
     
  22. cpwilson80

    cpwilson80 Member+

    Mar 20, 2001
    Boston
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Totally agree with the TV over stream. However, if the option is streaming at home or paying $20 (or worse, not seeing the game at all), I'll opt for the stream.

    The "business model" of acquiring TV rights and demanding a huge payday is over. Even though it was a huge pain in the ass, at least Mexico v. US last cycle was on TV (though *you* try explaining to the various bartenders of Boston what Mun2 is!)
     
  23. Dr. Gamera

    Dr. Gamera Member+

    Oct 13, 2005
    Wheaton, Maryland
    Yes, that, was, the, game. Also, the, US, qualified, for, the, World Cup, by -- winning -- that, game. I've, included, some, extra, punctuation -- in, my, post -- in, case, you, need, to, borrow, any.
     
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  24. Prime Time

    Prime Time Member

    May 1, 2004
    South Florida
    Believe the jerseys were all gray, but yeah...
     

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