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Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by BennyZ, Nov 15, 2005.
Good. My life, my wife's life, my friends' lives, the lives of everyone I know, are put in extreme danger by people choosing to be as irresponsible as you can possibly be.
OTOH, does something like this possibly have any chance of keeping drunks from driving anyway? Don't think so.
I like the idea of the bright pink plates, of course don't let the ACLU know they may claim it is discrimination. Kinda like what is going on with Iowa and the visitors lockerroom. Now the Gay Rights people are complaining about that.
Anyway I think Drunk Drivers should be required to spend 800 hours in meetings with relatives of Drunk Driver victims.
I think they should slightly raise the legal limit, but also really jump up the punishments/fines
I disagree. I think it will convince some people not to drive drunk.
I believe the ACLU's issue is that the bill states that the police can pull over anyone with a plate without probable cause.
I'm pretty against that too.
Exactly. Anything that differentiates some drivers from others is inherently unfair.
It think it's more unfair to get killed by a drunk driver.
Why do you hate your civil rights?
That would be all well and good if the only driver of the particular car is the person who got the DUI but such plates would also unfairly penalize anyone else who drives that car. That's unfair.
This is a great point. How about they have to have a pink DL instead, sure it isn't seen by everyone, but would be seen by the Police if they have to pull that driver over again.
Of course we could make them wear a Large Blood Red D on there clothes....if we wanted to go back in time....
What would having a pink drivers license accomplish?
The cop is going to run the license anyway. If there's any reason to believe someone's been drinking when he/she gets pulled over, the cop's going to ask if they've been drinking.
I value my right to life a heck of a lot higher than my right to kill people with impunity. Your point was?
You're ok with the police having full authority to pull over anyone with a DUI conviction at any time while they're in no violation of any laws or exhibiting any reason to pull them over?
Why stop with DUI offenders? Excessive speeders should get a green plate. People who use their cell phones in their car should get bright, bright orange ones.
And the cops should be able to harass them any time they don't have anything better to do. Like pull over people who are actually currently breaking laws.
Minnesota went through this many years ago. Someone proposed a law to give people with DUI's a black license plate. That didn't fly so they ended up assigning certain numbers to people who have a DUI. They're affectionately known as "whiskey plates". If you ever see Minnesota plates that being with WX (original series, IIRC), WY, WZ, WU, WR, et al. with 4 numbers after it (eg WX 3786), those were most likely issued for a DUI. I think there are a couple other lil' ways you can get them but that's pretty much it. You drink and drive and get caught and besides the tickets, you those plates.
Yes. And in fact in MN for many years having a "whiskey plate" was probable cause. Driving is a privelage, not a right.
It's a moot point really. Even when you restrict it to having to have probable cause, PC isn't hard to find. Stray over the fog line a couple times, fail to dim your lights, have a headlight that's out, speed, etc. those are all pretty common. Plus it misses the point. It's not simply because they got a DUI. Frequently people with DUI's have driving restrictions. They may only drive from work and home and that's it. No runs to the grocery store or the liquor store or just going out to eat. So that's the driver behind having the plates being PC for getting pulled over.
Regardless if you consider driving a privelege or a right, the Fourth Amendment is a right, not a privelege.
So you're point of view is that since it's easy to fabricate Probable Cause in a traffic stop situation, we should just eliminate the requirement?
Would you have to put pink plates on a rental car?
Did you miss my big red D on their clothes as well? Harken back to the days when women had a big red A for Adultery on their clothes. I was in fact making fun of it all.
I am not sure there is much of anything you can put on their plates or license that would make them stand out.
I do think that making them spend large amounts of time with families and relatives of drunk driver victims would help them understand what they did. I would recommend that after 1 offense.
Interesting thought here, if a person has multiple drunken driving or reckless driving charges should they be allowed to rent a car?
"Before 2003, the plates were issued only to people with five or more convictions."
It's hard to believe that people with 5 DWI convictions are still being allowed to resume driving! At some point, probably third conviction, there should be a lifetime suspension!
Presumably they would no longer have their license, which would prevent them from renting a car.
That would be best, but there are so many drivers out there that have had multiple DUI's that still have a license.
Before you know it, we're Nazi Germany. Sieg Heil!
Meanwhile, back on planet earth, drunk drivers kill more people than Al Qaeda.
This would be for 1st time offenders? I'm not crazy about that.
But anyone who gets a 2nd DUI in their lifetime should absolutely forfeit some civil rights. ETA: Apparently that's how the law is being applied in OH, but I've never noticed one of those plates. I'll be on the lookout now.