No matter what happens, Bigsoccer China will always be here - The National Team Thread 2011

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  1. teamdragon

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    #401 teamdragon, Nov 15, 2011
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    MOM to Yu Hai for breaking the stalemate.

    Chances are Iraq will tie Jordan for the greater good or Arab unity. But, till then, the dream is still alive.
     
  2. lu0hh

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    Dec 12, 2010
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    #402 lu0hh, Nov 15, 2011
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    hahahah ya about han peng. gao lin did create a lot of chances though.
    but he also had a lot of oppurtunities himself that he messed up.
    chen tao and zheng zheng though...
    because they were down 1 man they had to be more alert and react faster..
    forced the players to actually run lol.
    2nd half was wayyyy better than the 1st.
     
  3. lu0hh

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    Dec 12, 2010
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    #403 lu0hh, Nov 15, 2011
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    oh ya and yu hai...hhate to say it but he played really well..i think i forgive him now for messing up that goal against jordan
     
  4. teamdragon

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    #404 teamdragon, Nov 15, 2011
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    It'd have been nice if he scored on that, but it's really hard to blame him there. Got subbed in late. Didn't have enough playtime. He is a percentage player. He needs more than one of two chances to score one.
     
  5. Zhou Botong

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    Oct 15, 2007
    #405 Zhou Botong, Nov 15, 2011
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    You are spot on. As long as China beats Jordan, Iraq loses to both Jordan and Singapore, China advances to 4th round on better goal difference. Goal difference has been decided tonight in the China - Singapore match. In fact 3 - 0 would have been enough.



    My thought was that Arab brotherhood will prevail. But I have now another thought. Jordan may wish to ensure finishing top of group in order to have a good draw in the 4th round. It cannot do so by drawing with Iraq. Jordan knows it now has its best chance of qualifying for WC 2014 and surely wants to create the best conditions for itself to do so. Besides Jordan must surely believe that Iraq cannot possibly lose to Singapore in the last match. So there is actually a very thin lifeline for China going into the match between Jordan and Iraq. I am certainly keeping my fingers crossed.

    约旦加油啊
     
  6. cfb21

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    Aug 28, 2011
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    #406 cfb21, Nov 15, 2011
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    I missed the match, forgot to check what time it was at.
     
  7. Zhou Botong

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    Oct 15, 2007
    #407 Zhou Botong, Nov 15, 2011
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    Tonight's match is the best I have seen China play against Singapore. Confident and in control despite losing one man.

    And where did this Zheng Zheng come from!!! Really awesome.:cool:
     
  8. teamdragon

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    #408 teamdragon, Nov 15, 2011
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    That'll be nice, if Jordan wins. We'll have another exciting match to watch. There's a good chance we'll be in our normal form and beat Jordan in the last match. Even though most likely Singapore will not be able to beat Iraq, we won't know that for sure until the very end.

    At this point I think the chance of Iraq beating or tying Jordan is greater than what we'd like. But still hoping for the best. Dreams are addictive.
     
  9. gold4278

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    Feb 21, 2007
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    #409 gold4278, Nov 15, 2011
  10. teamdragon

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    #410 teamdragon, Nov 15, 2011
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    Zheng Zheng is Camacho's new discovery. Today it feels like the new coach has finally figured out the nuances of the team. Starting Yu Hai was a good move. Letting Zheng Zheng play instead of Sun Xiang was creative. Subbing in Zheng Zhi only until the very end was interesting. Benching Han Peng all together was gutsy.

    Is it really so or maybe 4-0 just makes everything look good?
     
  11. ntg.

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    #411 ntg., Nov 15, 2011
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    it's good man. youtube should be up soon. only second half = worth to watch.
     
  12. chengb02

    chengb02 Member

    Oct 14, 2002
    #412 chengb02, Nov 15, 2011
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    His debut was against UAE, though this was his first start.

    I have no idea and have been asking this question for awhile now. Han Peng, Yang Xu, even Yu Dabao should be seeing more time instead of Gao if Camacho insists on a 4-5-1.
     
  13. teamdragon

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    #413 teamdragon, Nov 15, 2011
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    Other than the Yu Hai goal, that is. Before that, China looked like the usual close but not quite team it's been lately with good chances but no finishing. The first goal helped our kids settle in the mentality of simply playing the best they are capable of. And then good things happened.
     
  14. teamdragon

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    #414 teamdragon, Nov 15, 2011
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    Han Peng is a target man. Unlike the Jordan match when we had no one in the middle for most of the match, today we already have a target today in Yu Hai. Gao Lin is a much better creator of space and chances because he is the only one among the lot that could dribble (semi-dribble).
     
  15. teamdragon

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    #415 teamdragon, Nov 15, 2011
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    Hao Haidong on Zheng Zheng,

    "“现在边后卫就应该这么踢，能攻善守，具备超强的奔跑能力。”
    http://sports.sina.com.cn/n/2011-11-15/21395830250.shtml


    Sounds almost like he is talking about Sun Jihai.
     
  16. teamdragon

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    #416 teamdragon, Nov 15, 2011
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    Goals and highlights of today's match,

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHNRdCyXNNU"]Singapore vs China 0-4 All Goals Full Highlights 15.11.2011 FIFA World Cup Qualifier Asia Zone - YouTube[/ame]
     
  17. gold4278

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    Feb 21, 2007
    Houston
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    #417 gold4278, Nov 15, 2011
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    Jordan is up 1-0!!!
     
  18. chengb02

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    Oct 14, 2002
    #418 chengb02, Nov 15, 2011
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    I don't know, the vast majority of chants I heard were Chinese fans.

    Why insist this is a B team? I don't know who Singapore's typical starters are, but looking at the team sheet for this match and the first one, Singapore only made 2-3 changes.

    Erm....you're giving Camacho WAY too much credit...

    Yu Hai's a winger, not really a target man. I'd disagree that Gao's the only one who can dribble (or create space for that matter). In your description of Gao, it seems more what you'd want from a midfielder, not your lone striker, who should be a scoring threat.
     
  19. teamdragon

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    #419 teamdragon, Nov 15, 2011
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    Didn't realize this during the match. The fourth goal was all Zheng Zheng. But the first second third goals all had Hao Junmin in it. Chen Tao assisted Yu Hai's goal. But Hao was the one who passed the ball to Chen. And then Hao assisted both the second and third goals.

    Which brings me back to the unlucky side of this saga, only if Hao had not been absent because of injury for the first Iraq match.
     
  20. teamdragon

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    #420 teamdragon, Nov 15, 2011
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    Pretty sure it's their regular ie A team.


    Mindful of that, I asked, "is it really so or maybe 4-0 just makes everything look good." :D

    You only needed to read a little further.
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24703515&postcount=413



    Yu Hai has been delivering as the target man even though he is supposedly a winger. I remember the Qu Bo pass when Yu Hai headed it home against South Korea. He is pretty good at moving forward and to the right position to find a way.

    Ideally it would be Gao and Deng together with Deng the attacking mf and Gao the striker. As a lone striker Han is probably better. But with Deng and Zheng Zhi both on the bench and already Yu Hai as a target, Camacho probably needed Gao's runs more than Han as the target.
     
  21. teamdragon

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    #421 teamdragon, Nov 15, 2011
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    Slam dunk. The Air Jordan is back. :D

    Not quite, half time, only 1-0. Keeping fingers crossed.
     
  22. chengb02

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    Oct 14, 2002
    #422 chengb02, Nov 15, 2011
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    I'm confident Jordan's going to beat Iraq. I don't buy into all that "West Asian brotherhood" sarcasm. However, I can't see any way that Iraq fails to get even a point against Singapore, better to let the dream die than be disappointed all over again.
     
  23. teamdragon

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    #423 teamdragon, Nov 15, 2011
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    Unfortunately, Jordan and the West Asian brotherhood are not living up to your confidence. 1-1 now 67th minute.
     
  24. teamdragon

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    #424 teamdragon, Nov 15, 2011
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    What's worth quoting is worth quoting twice. :D

    3-1 Iraq's lead now Chengb. 85th minutes. With all due respect, you've again argued beautifully for the wrong side. :D
     
  25. zuqiu85

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    Mar 30, 2009
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    #425 zuqiu85, Nov 15, 2011
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    Seeing as how China are likely to be eliminated (even if Jordan somehow win today, it's difficult to imagine Singapore beating Iraq), what Chinese NT games (other than friendlies) can we look forward to in the next 3 years? As far as I know, there won't be any qualifiers for the next AFC Asian cup for at least 2 or 3 years, and I can't think of any other tournaments China might be involved in.
     
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