Re: Macnelly Torres en Colo-Colo (r), Part II lo dice el que cree que 2.5 goles de Roda valen 1 de Falcao (yo creo que esa es la conversion Pepino tiene la tabla de la conversion de goles por liga derechos reservados de Crazy) Jackson venia enrachado y metiendo unos goles imprecionantes sobre todo mostraba un nivel superior al resto, igual que cuando Teo se pego su enrachada los metia hasta con lso ojos cerrados... ademas habia una razon de peso que nos ponia a buscar delanteros, la sele no estava metiendo goles ni wason ni falcao estavan respondiendo con goles... Ceballos es un jugador en mi opinion cumplidor, pero no demuestra "superioridad" que uno diga que tremendo defensa. Ademas yo nunca quise que convocaran a Mosqera el del Dim ni a Gio Moreno ni a Dorlan Pabon
Re: Macnelly Torres en Colo-Colo (r), Part II 1. Jackson no era uno del monton, tampoco Mosquera ni Teofilo. Pero bueno la verdad es que ojala le llegue rapido porque el pelao se lo merece. 2. Entre gustos no hay disgustos. Dejemoslo ahi con vos no quiero pelear.
Re: Macnelly Torres en Colo-Colo (r), Part II Pero quiero que me digan aparte de Zapata y Aquivaldo, que otro defensa hay? Ceballos es bueno. Y pues lo digo por crzd porqu yo nunca estoy de acuerdo con ese man.
Re: Macnelly Torres en Colo-Colo (r), Part II No its true actually, in Europe they have this grading system where the leagues measure up. It'll be like this EPL----- 1:1 La Liga----- 1:1 Italy------- 1:1 Germany 1.5:1 France 1.5:1 Portugal 1.5:1 Then like in Holland 2:1 Then lets say in Estonia 3:1 After that all the goals in UEFA/Europa 1:1 These are facts.
Re: Nt # 10 Aqui esta un articulo de eltiempo.com ke habla de ke bolillo no usa un "10" definido. una de los apartes del articulo: "El actual técnico de la Selección, Hernán Darío Gómez, tuvo que volver a Valderrama después de probar, antes de la Copa América, un esquema sin volante de creación fijo. "La idea mía sigue con aquello de conseguir cuatro 'ochos' para el medio, con gran ritmo, con dinámica, con mucho sacrificio. Ya el oficio especializado me parece que está en vías de extinción". Sin embargo, el entrecomillado no es de ayer ni de esta semana: es de julio de 1995. http://www.eltiempo.com/deportes/fu...10-y-busca-una-alternativa-de-juego_7892639-1 no veo el afan de crear polemica, cuando se estan empezando a hacer las cosas bien... No hay necesidad de un "10"!!!
Re: Nt # 10 no se si est tenga que ver pero.... la sele de bolillo es una 4-2-3-1 con falcao de 9 y g moreno de media punta. pero cuando falcao fue campeon con River Plate bajo Simeone con quen tambien uso un 4-2-3-1 el no era el 9 sino el hombre en la mitad de la linea de tres sera que lo probamos ahi? si ahi gue goleador del club. mas bien una punta se coloca a G moreno or Jackson Martinez o ha Dayro Moreno? no mejor rotar le que juege ahi durante el partido? Que la virtud de La Sele no sea un #10 de nivel de EL Pibe sino ttres jugadores que = un #10. que comiense G moreno ahi y al pasar los minutos Rodallega se desmarca y cambia con Gio Moreno, y luego Rodallega cambie con el volante por derecha, y etc etc, no?
Re: Macnelly Torres en Colo-Colo (r), Part II El problema con el 10 colombiano es que es muy estatico y esta mal acompañado.
Re: Nt # 10 si alguien puede leer el mensaje ultimo de baaal y este....favor enviarme un mensaje parece que hay un problema tecnico con esta pagina si encuentran otra que actue, escondiendo comentarios, favor reportela.
Re: What Ten do you want? READ THE LAST 2 PGS BEFORE YOUR OPINION GETS PRINTED para hablar del #10 de seleccion usen este hilo no sabemos que pasa con la otra trenza
Re: What Ten do you want? We don't need a 10# use rodallega on the left and pino in the right... No need for a 10 to slow down our wing play, especially a slow reaction guy like G. moreno
Re: What Ten do you want? the best teams in the world all have a #10 Spain - Xavi Holland - Sneijder Brasil - Kaka and now Ganso/Hernanes/Douglas Costa/ Argentina had Riquelme and have been a downward spiral since he left the team Germany - Schweinsteiger England - Gerrard France - since Zidane left, they have been in a downward spiral since no player has been able to orchestrate the midfield point is - we need an offensive general to lead the attack. IMO that player is GioMore - in the few WCQ's he played - he was the most effective - it's a fact... who else can do the job? i like DayMore but i see him more as a 2nd striker more than a playmaker. Luis Mosquera - i liked in his lone NT appearance. Mac10 - i wouldn't mind seeing him play but he never seems to be availalbe for more than 1 game out of every 5 games for the NT. but i think GioMore is the best option - he's a risk taker and he likes to push forward. he may makes mistakes, but we need a fresh perspective on the NT. the days of GioLess (gio hernandez) need to come to an end. we need to start taking risks and GioMore is the first step in the right direction...
Re: What Ten do you want? GIO HDZ vs LUIS MOSQUE IN 2010 I just fi nished watching gio Hdz vs luis mosquera's DIM I have to be honest.....mosque scored a sick volley with his left TODAY, so did Gio H on a free kick, that everyone in the stadium knew, but the keeper and luis arias...that obstructed the play.... in few words.....mosque still far behind his form from that game or when he paired with jackson Mart. gio Hdz is tha man....for UR #10. he is the only player holding junior as a possible contender to fight for 7th or 8th place in FPC....cesar fawcet has pick up a lil....but seems to talk too much
Re: What Ten do you want? GIO HDZ vs LUIS MOSQUE IN 2010 Gio goal was all the goalie.... kid didn't even have to move.... Mosqueras goal was sick but all in all it was a super boring match Junior really has nothing, now that they said no to Chievo Bacca seems very uninterested. Junior plays like the sterotypical Colombian team with the #10 that kills the speed of the game and not one player with the balls to take a shot at goal. Umana's America de Cali was my favorite and everyone says we can't play like that in Barranquilla but why can't we play like that away from home.
Re: What Ten do you want? GIO HDZ vs LUIS MOSQUE IN 2010 are you serious about GioH? he's had his time with the NT and it's time to move on...
Re: What Ten do you want? GIO HDZ vs LUIS MOSQUE IN 2010 COMO? fue que no entendiste mi comentario? antes que el mio, otro gato pidio a luis Mosque yo solo se los compare....de llegar el uno ......o el otro...no me interesa, es decision del DT o de Leo, pero lo dudo que regresen.....sus equipos estan muy mal en el torneo local, no hay como explicar cual merece que! Hoy EN DIA
Re: What Ten do you want? i beg to to differ i have a different opinio xavi plays a holding role not a riquelme o Pibe role teams like Holland and Spain won because they had natural attacking players playing really good defence thats what Mourinho started in europe and what Maturana did and Luis Montoya did with caldas make offensive minded players defend and welll not look for a number ten put out 5 of the starting 11 gives that can score and create there on scoring chance and one for others and teach them to defend at the highest level. Mourinho's Inter is the best example. he had guys like Eto'o as midfielders when Eto'o has always been a number 9 Rodallega was a 9 in Colombia and Mexico and Bollio is making him defen as a midfielder I think the answer is to have that 3man line behind the lone striker rotate during the match and for a minute or two that will have to make the other team adjust. Changing the point of attack is also very key as well as allowing the fullbacks to attack and dropping a cen mid back to make a 3man backline whille the fullbacks attack. Having a 3man line that each have a different role but are interchangeable is key. a Line of Rodallega-G Moreno-Cuadrado and sub in Pino Pino can take on guys like cuadrado and defend somewhat like roda, buti dont know if he could hold possesion or get fouled like G moreno, which helps hold possesion.
Re: Macnelly Torres en Colo-Colo (r), Part II de acuerdo super post y de acurdo con Krass hay que colcar jugadores que saben atacar . Pues creo que lo de tener idea con el balon y vision de cancha y gambeta no se puede ensenhar, pero defender si. hay que colcar delanteros y media puntaas o hombres que son carrileros y tienen gambeta, y formar un medio campo de ese materia. Y asi como Bolillo pretender esta bien. que cuando se ataca un 4-2-3-1 o lo que sea pero cuando defiendan que el media campo este pegado de la zaga y que el equipo este compacto y ojalo lo mas lejos arco. y que no dejen espacio entre lineas, que pasan del defender al atque rapido y mas importantemente del ataque al bloque compacto rapido
Re: Macnelly Torres en Colo-Colo (r), Part II I would like Mcnelly and Aldo back but why are we intent on using them as 10s. Just play them as part of the midfield line of four.
Re: What Ten do you want? at barcelona - busquets is the holding mid and xavi plays as deep playmaker, but he usually ends up pretty far up. he makes messi's life a lot easier by organizing the attack from deeper in the pitch. you are partially right that he's not the same as pibe or JRR, but xavi is the brains of the attack - there's no doubting that. while i like your idea of using a lone striker with 2ndary strikers behind him rotating around, you still need a midfield general. inter was able to be effective in european competition last year was due to Sneijder. he was the x-factor last year that took inter from a Serie-A giant to a european powerhouse...
Re: What Ten do you want? None of those players are '10's in the Zidane or Valderrama or Riquelme mold, imho. The list includes "box-to-box" midfielders (8's) that we call "volante mixtos" like Xavi, Schweinsteiger, Kaka and Gerrard. Sneider is a withdrawn striker (7) and I think his role is analogous to what Tevez has done so well in Europe. The key distinction is that a classic '10' doesn't have defensive responsibilities and plays a free role. What the list reflects to me is the extent to which the great teams on the planet have evolved to using mid fielders who can both destroy, recuperate, possess and create. What the guys on the list above do share in common is that they are players with leadership tendencies that WANT the ball. Really players can do that from anywhere on the pitch (I remember Ulises De La Cruz being a key figure on Ecuador's 2006 team from his right back slot. If you watched the past world cup, Keisuke Honda of Japan ran his team playing as a '9') - but in Colombia, because our best example was Valderrama I think we misassociate it with the position in which he played. What Colombia needs is someone who is going to take the game by the scruff of the neck and provide an example. For the past 12 years its been Mario Alberto Yepes and Ivan Ramiro Cordoba - but we need someone, anyone from the offensive side of the ball to provide that. Abel Aguilar was that guy for the U20 sides that did so well, but he's never been able to stay in the senior team long enough to take on that role.
Re: What Ten do you want? the players on my list are midfield generals which is something we have been missing for quite sometime. i'm not going to split hairs about what exact role some of my midfielders i listed are, but they are the offensive leaders of their teams just like valderamma was. colombia needs someone who can be a part of every game leading the attack. my best guess as to who that player can be is GioMore. going by stats alone, he was the most productive player of the WCQ's and did it in 3 games. and his style of play is something different that we haven't seen in awhile. i dont see what he doesn't do that other midfielders are more capable of doing... what other players are there that we can rely on for 3+ copa america games and 16 WCQ's that we will have over the next 3 years? we always say this player stinks, and that player stinks after 1 or 2 games on the NT, but we never say, "we should give him more chances" i'm all for giving players like Luis Mosquera more chances and DayMore more caps on the NT, but the people in charge of the call-ups need to stick to their guns more often. i already proved that last WCQ's we shuffled our lineups way too much while the qualified teams had a consistent set of players for every game...
Re: What Ten do you want? That I agree with. Grisales is the closest we've had in the recent qualifiers but he's never been healthy consistently and is now prob past his prime. Sure, but the name of the thread is "what ten do you want" - which to me begs the question, "do we need a ten?" and I don't think that we do. As you say, what we need is a leader. A major failure our media and FA have perpetrated is just destroying offensive at every turn after just a few games - and there I agree with you again - we cant really tell if any of these dudes are leaders after the few opps they each get. The same goes, and maybe worse, with our strikers...