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Alright perhaps im looking at different elements here so perhaps that's why I'm not seeing what you guys mean. When I'm referring to the materials I'm usually referring to how soft it is, like how my morelias have abit of 'cushioning' in part due to the sort of stitching it has, not entirely dissimilar to the Legend 4's.

My point about the 'control zones' is that since they're there to help your touch, so you won't feel the material in all its glory to help the touch. Like how with the CTR1 and 2's I always felt that the dampening pads didnt really allow me to give an accurate judgement of how the material felt with the ball. I'll be honest I started soccer pretty late, so the only real Predators I've ever owned were the Powerswerves which didnt have much elements on the forefoot.

But thanks so much for the input, both of ya, looking forward to see what the NitroCharge feels like then.

 

Precisely - people loved the Vapor IVs for 'performance' - but many struggled with fit.

If I was to define a good performing boot... I'd go with the AdiPower. It fits well, so you feel like you're as one with the boot. It feels good to strike in. Comfortable. The leather is soft and so any touches on the ball feel natural. I'm not claiming football boots will make you perform better... Some things like extra grip may improve your touch. But only by half a percent. We all know this.

 

True, lightweight tends to mean 'easier to rip' in other words.

 

Listen, I'm not having a dig at you at all. It may seem like I'm constantly picking on you - and to be honest, I thought that the other day when I posted those comments, but thinking about it, this is only the case because you're only one of several posters that are able to formulate an argument.

I'm also not saying I 'dislike' what you say either. Some of it makes sense to me. I appreciate people that have their own opinion - you're one of those people. The 'egotistical' comment wasn't aimed at you either, I have the people in mind as I type this.. But they are now on my block list and will remain to be so for the foreseeable future, because quite frankly.. I can't be bothered to have people abuse me. I've got far better things to do - like training for my push to become professional and arguing the toss with you haha!

I can't comment on your blog, I haven't read it, and so it's unfair to be prejudiced about things like that. I'm sure, by the quality of your written responses on here, that it's an excellent website. I'm also going to ignore your comment about 'some' sites.

To conclude on your final point. I'm aware people have complained about me. I don't particularly have sympathy with them, as like I said to the guy who called me a 'twat', the block option is there if you don't like what I post. If I had posted something offensive, then I could understand it. I know I'm not particularly liked on here, but I continue to return because it's a great site. The best football forum on the internet in my eyes. I have no interest in who is 'leader' of BigSoccer, all I know is that you're an administrator. So please don't assume that I'm trying to discredit you in any way, because I'm absolutely 100% not. You're an interesting poster, and the points you raise encourage debate. My debating may be very aggressive at times, perhaps unnecessarily so, but I don't intend to offend or cause trouble with anyone. I come on this forum to debate, and the reason you and I continue to have these arguments is because of the topics you bring up.

Hopefully that's the end of this debate, as I'm sure the forum would appreciate the opportunity to discuss some football boots.

 

*sigh*

No, I'm fully aware that my definition of 'quality' is not correct. That is MY personal interpretation of quality in terms of football boots. As an English student at University I'm fully aware of that! To clear this matter up, I'll use an example of two of my friends and team-mates.

Said team-mate has a pair of Adidas F50 AdiZero 1.5s, in the launch colourway. That said pair, has lost two studs (they're firm ground), huge tears around the toe and are about to just completely pack in.. He is aware of these faults, wishes they weren't there, but continues to wear them anyway because he feels comfortable and performs well in them. An example of another team-mate is a guy who wears Nike Mercurial Miracles, in the Cactus colourway from the Superfly era. He has had these boots for a long time now (circa two years). He has to 'tape' his boots with electrical tape (yes, seriously) because the tears are that bad. But does he care? No, not really.. They cost him £60 two years ago... He plays football. He wears football boots to play football in, not worry about tears.

My interpretation of this is it's shocking. I couldn't wear boots that are in that state. I must have had refunds for 8/10 boots in the past year or so now.. Partly because they've torn slightly and I've taken advantage of it. Would I say the build quality has gone down? No. In each of the boots I've returned, I could've easily got another year or so use out of them. So to me, I don't worry about durability. What will be will be. If they develop a fault, I return them. If this returns policy wasn't in place, I'd be a damn sight more worried about durability! So please don't think that I personally do not care, or rely solely on fit and performance.

I understand people out there are not as privileged as me, because not everybody can afford to buy as many boots as I own. Many people own one pair of top quality boots a season. But as a reviewer, I take note of this. I look at it from their point of view. Quite frankly, hardly ANY football boot websites take into account durability. They wear a boot for 3 weeks tops, if there are no problems they give it a top score for durability. I'm not going to name names in terms of what sites this is the case for, but I personally aim to get around 40/50 hours of use out of them before reviewing purely for these people that ARE worried about durability. So let me reiterate, if the returns policy was not in place, I would be a damned sight more worried about durability personally. While it remains in place, durability will not be a top concern of mine, fit and performance will take priority over this. As a reviewer, I take into account what other people are concerned about - durability is one of the top issues.

 

You know what - that is the best post I've seen on this site. I must admit, one of my flaws (which my Mother says was inherited from my Dad) is that I'm stubborn, and once I've made my mind up about something I refuse to regard anybody's else's opinion. I apologise for this, because looking back.. I look like an absolute nob.

Let me iterate - I'm only 18. My first pair of top football boots was the Vapor IIIs.. Which had to be sawed off my friends foot after he twisted his ankle (he acted like he'd broken it for christs sake) and I've never seen them again. Before that, I have no extensive knowledge about football boots. The older guys (you, JC etc) will have a far broader knowledge about 'quality' over a longer period of time. I admit that now, and I apologise for this entire situation.

 

I never liked it for performance... to tell you the truth. My Vapor III's were actually LIGHTER... if you want to rate it based on that. None of the features made me trap, shoot, or do anything wiht the ball better. Heck, I preferred my copas back then, because on turf the rounded studs helped me messed up knees.

I just got them, If I am to be perfectly honest...for the green look of the boots. Added in the red laces because it made them look that much neater, and that's about it! Fashion. After putting up with the crap just to look 'cool' on the field like taping my toes with tape so skin wouldn't rub off when playing in them, I knew this boot isn't worth it.

I've never tried the Adipower, but since moving on to a lighter boot than my Vapor III's and IV's along with the benefit of them being PURE SOFTEST K leather... I will never go back to a synthetic, just because of the pains I've had....(although I have the GS2's because they'll look great as a piece in my living room ).

With newer synthetics becoming softer, they still haven't fixed the issue of them not ripping, or other issues with Durability. This is HUGE for me, because I would HATE to rip a pair of boots after only a couple of months. I am a cheap skate, and want to make sure boots can last a pretty long time.

I too think boots should be that way. I've had a pair of copas last me all the way from 14 years old until I was about 22. I threw them away after that. 7 years! I kept the leather as best 'conditioned' as I could... and those boots lasted longer than some pro players careers! While I don't think all boots should last that long, it should still be a big factor. Some kids don't have a lot of money when trying to buy high quality boots. So it will have to last. I remember older leather 'top of the line' boots lasting VERY long. This is how things should be again.... but Nike doesn't want that becaues it will hurt their pockets. Sadly, durability isn't something they consider top priority now... more about 'design' and how to keep things 'fresh'. Makes them money though, and many kids will take mommy and daddy's money and give it to Nike.

Edit: Just read all your posts above. I see you're just a mere pup at 18. Probably missed the good old days... I see where you're coming from now. Helps me put it all into prospective. Look into a good, leather, boot. Nothing beats it. I've been through a good amount of Nike's... especially in the start when they were first playing with Synthetics... for me it was a phase... went leather again.. never went back.

 

Young folk gravitate like magpies to shiny new things, all the while demonstrating a seemingly unwavering confidence in their decision making process. Anything new and supposedly innovative is revered and anything bland but successful is overlooked. Copas were ubiquitous only a few years ago, and are now rarely seen such is the contemporary obsession with colour and style over substance. I think it's great that boot companies are looking to release new lines, and as a midfielder I look at the control boots out there and appreciate them in terms of appearance and comfort, but I think the live fast, consumer (read throw-away) culture is depressing. I was always taught to respect your belongings and look after them. You'd think in such austere times that would be sage advice no?

 

Funny you mention that. It actually excites me to see pro players in Copas. I find it fascinating that Zidane's son only wears copas now... maybe cause Papa doesn't like sythetics? One pretty big player to still use them is French Star for Malaga, Jeremey Toulalan. Mixed Studs no less!

 

Yes, I'm just a 'pup' so to speak. A rather brash, outspoken one at times but there you go. I'm actually looking for a brand new pair of boots for the turn of the year. Something I've not tried before. The only heritage ranges I've really tried are the Tiempo, Speciali and AdiPure. I'm looking to try a pair of Mizuno football boots soon. Sadly, I'll probably end up plumping for the Vapor IXs and regret it.

P.S. JC, I'm pleased we've sorted our differences and I didn't want to quote your post in an attempt to get this NIKE thread back on track!

 

Got my heart set on getting a pair of Vapor III's ina white/gold, white/silver or charcoal/gold colourway. Got a question: How do they fit in comparison to Vapor VIII's for instance?

 

Yea. After putting my feet through hell wearing the old nike synthetics, with it making my toes bleed under the nail, cutting up the top of my toes, and not enough protection of leather when getting stomped... i had to change. I like a lightweight leather boot. Has 'lightweight' speed boots have, but the fit a leather boot has. Best of both worlds for me. Doesn't have to be mizuno... but from what I hear, they're the best at right now. Heard good things about the King SLs though...

 

Jon, take this as advice not criticism. I don't think the issue with arguments is entirely the other users on this forum but also a bit to do with your attitude towards others. Whenever you have a discussion on here you never take in another persons point of view nor differ your perspective with the points they have given. I don't know about you but when i argue with someone i like it if they listen to my points and if they are good, change their opinion, and I would do the same. I'm just saying if you want more discussions on these forums, then I suggest you open up to others and accept their point of view instead of being so forceful and naive.

 

Maybe I'm being nit picky here but I don't think he has to ACCEPT others point of view. Perhaps just try to understand or acknowledge their POV.

Anyway, back to Nike, I'm stopping by the cobbler tomorrow in order to pick up some leather dye. I'm going to attempt blacking out the ACC from my GS II. I've never done any customization on my own before. Any tips from experienced folks?

 

Guys come on. I love a good "debate" as much as the next guy, probably even more than the next guy. I'm Italian, it's in our genes to constantly argue! But I think Jon gets the point. I know you are all only trying to help him, and I am sure he appreciates it, but it gets to a certain point where enough is enough. Let's get on with the Nike boots discussion.

Pazzini also wears the Laser IV's. Also Pato did for a short amount of time. I would never buy them but I am sad to see the Laser line go. But who knows the new Venom may turn out to be a really great boot too!

 

I actually liked the synthetic Laser IV a lot, had the launch white/orange/black colorway.

I also had a blackout pair of what I thought was going to be the Laser V, but I guess it could have just been a test of the new Kangalite upper or the ACC.

 

Been eyeing up a pair of laser IVs for a long while, but find myself consistently put off by the bladed studs. Are they really such a deal-breaker, or is it just me?

 

The laser IV is a good boot. Low toebox, nice wide fit and lots of rubber if you like a bit of extra grip on the ball.

As for the bladed studs, they are only dangerous if you play on turf. The stud system gives a nice mix of traction and stability on grass.

If you can snag up a pair of Laser IV's during the forthcomming sale period, i would definetly recommend Them

 

Señor Boots, do you have any scientific papers or research towards bladed-studs on turf?

I was trying to tell my team-mates that they shouldnt use bladed studs due to increased risk of injury. However, they shelled me with "we never had any injuries with bladed studs" and so on.

 

Not everybody gets horrible knee injuries all the time - all it takes is one little knock and it could put you out for months.