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Discussion in 'Brazil' started by Brazil_1500, Jan 10, 2008.
Is it true Real Madrid got him already?
The boy is already playing for Santos in the Copinha, with only 15 years old.
He scored a goal in the Copa SP Junior.
He looks real good in that highlight film, although his headband of his kind of bothers me a little.
Is this the same guy?
First goal for Santos
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Damn he looks skinny ...
He scored again.
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2nd best attacking prospect in Brazil. 2nd to Coutinho who is miles better than him for what I've seen.
I am happy that Brazil always has kids like these two!
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Neymar is a player to have an eye on, that's for sure.
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I vote Barcelona
Forget about Mancha City!!!!!
You would think his buddy Robinho would tell him enough to keep him away from City.
Real Madrid has apparently developed a list of their concerns about Neymar. Robinho could give him his opinion on them.
I think ultimately it will come down to Chelsea or Barcelona. Muricy has mentioned that Neymar would just be another player at Real Madrid, but I think the same could be said about Barcelona. Neymar will be under the shadow of Messi, kind of like Messi was when Ronaldinho was there. At Chelsea, he may be under greater pressure to perform because he'll be THE guy.
At his age I don't think it's wise for him to be "the guy" at a team like Chelsea or Barcelona. I could see that being OK if he went to Holland or Portugal first. Ronaldo and Messi for example were both broken into the first team slowly before they took the reins of their respective teams (with Ronaldo I am obviously talking about ManU).
Neymar wouldn't be "the guy" at Barcelona, though. I don't think he would be until he starting nearing his prime, especially when the likes of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta are still there and playing at a World Class level.
while i think the spanish league will be better suited to his style of play, team-wise, i think chelsea is still the best option. the talent around him is at a level where he won't be outshone, and if he wants to make himself into a name, like a messi or ronaldo (none of this lebron going to miami crap), then he should pick chelsea. him paired with torres is pretty good. and if drogba stays, all the better. they still need to find a midfielder though. can't say lamps has much of a future.
with that said, here's something to think about. what does nike think?!? of the lot, what is the only nike team that has made an offer (not counting umbro).
gotta wonder if 9ine / ribeiro are aware of this. in fact, they are. you can bet nike would boost his endorsements if he was playing for a nike club.
Real Madrid and City would be the worst options IMO. I am still not sure about Chelsea either. La Liga or Serie A are the best option style wise.
Right now, I think another year in Brazil will do him good.
He didn't talk about this matter after the " five teams" news appeared, but from what he was saying before it he won't be leaving us so soon.
That is correct! Also - I think he is somewhat naive - he might get over his head on coaches, referee calls, etc - and lose his cool... he needs some kind of maturity, or growing up before adventuring out to Europe...
His salary wouldn't even raise that much.... I can't remember the exact numbers, but he earns here in Santos 6m euros/ year, while Realmadrid is offering 7m or something... Here he can live close to his parents and childhood friends, he is already an estabilished idol, loved everywhere he go, plays for the club he supports... Why would he trade all that for a small raise in his salary, which also includes some time spent on getting used to a whole new culture, spending a lot of time in the bench since Real Madrid's team is already full of superstars, etc?
... Well I say "small raise in his salary", but I wouldn't earn 1m euros in my whole life.... hehe
Actually Neymar makes around 2.8m Euros a year. Your figure is in Reais. So it is a big jump in salary.
And it's not only about the money. It's about the challenge to make it in Europe where they best players typically go to play. Every big Brazilian star in the past 20 years has played in Europe. So there is an ego aspect to it. Plus, whether Brazilians like it or not, players do develop other important tactical aspects of the game by going to play in Europe. Many Brazilian players in the past have admitted so.
Hmm are you sure? He does receive "only" around 300k from us a month, but he earns a lot more from sponsors. He just signed some new sponsor contracts, his salary is about 1m reais atm IIRC, that's 12m reais a year or around 5,3m euros... Gotta check it again sometime.
Nonetheless, I reckon he should stay with us for 1-2 more years, it would help him develop his style better.... Plus players at his age need all the playtime they can get, he has a lot of room to improve, and with Santos he could do so with the assurance that he will most likely always be a starter, and also will be an idol for the club's supporters and non-supporters likewise.
The enviroment is less "hostile" to him here. By that I mean that he has to emdure less pressure here, while if he moves to a European club they will always be demanding a performance worthy of his price tag... And at 45m, that's one hell of a performance.
santos pays a certain amount of his salary. maybe 2/3. and the rest comes from sponsors who subsidize the salary.
i believe this is done so that the release clause is more "reasonable," because in brazil, it is proportional to the salary that the team pays the player.
for example, both ganso and lucas have higher release clauses so i believe that santos and sao paulo pay them more. but, neymar makes more overall because of the companies that subsidize part of his contract.
Yeah the exact numbers are quite elusive, hard to find definitive proof of his salary, but I guess I have a better idea now after some research:
Right now, he earns 150k from us + sponsors = 600k.
Santos arranged 4 more contracts for him, to be signed when he comes back to Brasil, adding those his salary will hit 1m reais per month. We may even negociate a higher contract clause for him (hopefully)
Plus we get 30% of everything Neymar earns from his sponsors, so he is maiking a good profit for us... The 150k we pay for him ends up being less than what we earn from his sponsors.
His father manages his money and only gives him 5k a month ... or at least he used to last year.