Alert: Next decades Netherlands will be the new Hungary of Europe. Once great, but slipped into mediocrity.

Yeah but Asians love their video games as well. They often are champs in that division. Dutch kids love their video games as well.

I think the tennis and golf problems USA faces come from the world simply moving on. Sports become more competitive as internationally other parts of the world develop and want to express themselves through that sport. So overall the level goes up. The standards of training guaranteeing world success yesterday won't cut it to have it today or tomorrow. You have to improve and raise your education levels.

This is also a challenge for the Netherlands in football. It's maybe just not good enough anymore. We can rehash all the things that have been said about the Netherlands in the past and how well we are in raising top players, but I wonder how much of that is echoed here and in the Netherlands as a whole out of comfort and getting a reassuring feeling. Knowledge these days is past on in seconds, though implementation is another matter. Japan is a good example of a country that know how to move from having the knowledge to organize themselves from having the knowledge towards excellent implementation. Look at the influx of Japenese players into the Bundesliga and I believe it is only the start of it. The new Japenese players have something special. Kagawa at United is simply one of the better players and from a pure football perspective they are really good. This is just one example of another country pushing for world class. Mexico is also looking like they mean business this time around. Flirted with world class in the past, but are making a case to reach that now finally.

My point is that you can do the same as in the past, you can trust in the institutions of the past (the good amateur football), but that does not mean it will produce the same results as the world around us simply evolves. This is IMO what happened with USA tennis as well. The world woke up.

 

This is by the way a report or even research piece on many European football academy's, with the aim to provide insight and share knowledge:

Youth Academy's in Europe.

 

That is a fallacy. Poisoning the wells. If you have something to say about it, target it's information please.

 

In the doubles (2, US Open and Roland Garros) not singles. The only other winner is Kornelia Bouman in 1927 winning the French Championships.

 

You can decide what you do and I can decide whether you use a fallacy in what you do or not. Don't come on a pubic forum expecting people to not look at what you write. If the information in the report in wrong you can point it out, if it is not, then all that you talk about are the motivations to come to this initiative.

So you touch on the content. What's wrong with it. I see they claim van Basten came from the Ajax academy, while he came far in his teens from Utrecht. That could be pointed out as a half mistake. The report states a lot of facts in how academy's shape their education. Are you planning to target those as wrong or was your post aimed to dismiss anything coming from this organisation? What is so colored in the report, that people should dismiss?

 

You are restating something. You quoted my post that touched on something else.

This is the only straw man fallacy on your post. Why holding back?

Well in any case, it's not about winning the national title with a bunch of mercenary's outside your city or region like FC Twente like to do and contribute little to nothing the Dutch NT. What was the best player FC Twente ever produced?

USA always had great tennis players. I grew up with Sampras, Agassi, Courrier. There still is fantastic tennis infrastructure in the USA and many kids playing it, but what have come to them in the men's game and soon in the women's game once Serena stops? What kind of role do they any longer play in the top 100 list? Few guys and girls making up the numbers being mediocre. My point was that the world is changing. Doing the same and trusting on the things that were good enough in the past is in the world of tomorrow not good enough anymore.

 

My pleasure

 

If you state "Tom Okker .. too" , who else then Richard Kraijcek did you had in mind?

The stat of 76 years refers to single games as far as I know so results from doubles don't count.

 

No it is not relevant. A lobby group with a mission and an agenda that brings out a report can state correct facts. The fact that it would side track this discussing talking about whether your vision on the organisation is right or wrong, would make a discussion about the content the only right thing to do. You have used the world "content" yourself at least 2 times in your previous contribution, but you don't touch on it. You rather create mystique than point out what is wrong with it.

Oke further poisoning of the wells. Why would I take it from somebody else? If they are so wrong as an organisation and have such a strong agenda, surely you can point in a matter of seconds to some of the claims or information from this report and explain what is wrong about it?

 

Who cares about what?

Are you even considering ever addressing something what people say instead of throwing red herrings into the discussions? These kind of remarks have as little to do with the discussion as saying that I like chocolate. At least that would be true.

That does not provide you some kind space to say whatever pops up in your mind and act like that is what a discussion was about. A normal discussion would be you addressing my tennis example and then you can say it is true or not.

The mistake you make is mixing what meaning football has for you, with the technical, tactical and velocity advancements of the modern game and how education needs to modernize to answer to other country's raising the bar in these departments. Being good is relative is what I am saying.

You describe a world the way you do, to remove the need to perform with authenticity. You describe a movement in the sport to not make it worthy raising your own and you like to wear the cloths of Calimero whenever it suits you, so it looks like Twente does not have the possibility to raise talents in the first place. All of that is false. The only thing that cracks me up every time is how easily you switch from FC Twente being small in case A and big in case B. Whenever it suits you, you run away with the size of your club. You can't have it both ways. The question was: What was the best player FC Twente has raised?

Well you are clueless if you think players from the region or even city don't play their part in the need for authenticity. Glad to know you think FC Twente is a bag with money and Munsterman is a kid who is really good in Football Manager allowed to spend it.

Enjoy cheering on the laundry.

 

Authenticity was my point, not status. And before that it was about how the word wakes up and is raising the bar, illustrated with an example from another sport where a country has completely lost it, while having a great infrastructure, kids playing the sport of tennis and also are generally speaking wealthy.

Management gets payed a lot of money and receive status from making the smart buys. Technical directors should be payed 1/4th of what youth trainers get and be rewarded with huge bonuses for the percentage of youth players they are successfully able to integrate into the first team. The whole reward system in this country is sick, if it comes to football. That's why fans like you lose their head and think the kid in charge playing Football Manager is the club, instead of keeping as close as possible to the idea of playing with the boys from the community against the ones from another community who also choose to express themselves through the sport and who want to test their ability and progress against the ones of FC Twente. A title won with mercenary's just tells me that there are a few people in Twente that are good in balancing the books, can kick anybody's ass with Football Manager and a lot of people who like the cheer on the laundry. Has nothing to do with education and passing on football knowledge to the new kids of the community to reach the level of excellence.

Not even your best straw man fallacy and I also conclude you are afraid to answer my question.