New Yorker Mag: Rumsfeld personally approved interrogation methods at Abu Ghraib

what a surprise!!

waiting for the republicons...

 

I don't anybody who would oppose the interrogation plan stated above.

 

yeah just wait until the pictures of those prisoners being interrogated surface...

 

Here's a direct link to the New Yorker story

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact

 

Good point. Why would the world hold out any hope for civilization when there are prisoners to be tortured. This is the dark ages. Who would Jesus torture.

 

If Sy Hersh's reporting is solid, Bush is faced with two very difficult choices. Keeping him would be disastrous; the Israelis would be our only true friend in the world. Even the Brits would step away.

If he ditches him, he just prolongs the story, PLUS he will have shown colossal poor judgment in keeping him in the last week. PLUS he will whet the appetite of the liberals in the media, and entice the lazy p.o.s. who predominate, the piranhas who chase, as a pack, the blood in the water.

Also, wouldn't this DIRECTLY contradict Rummy's testimony to congress? House Reeps won't care; hell, Tom DeLay would get a stiffy. But guys like Hagel and Lindsey Graham and McCain and even Warner will want Rummy out.

 

One more question to ask is - Does Bush also know about this Rumsfeld torture policy?

 

that is your opinion, not an unusual one, but did you read the article?

According to interviews with several past and present American intelligence officials, the Pentagon’s operation, known inside the intelligence community by several code words, including Copper Green, encouraged physical coercion and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners in an effort to generate more intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq. A senior C.I.A. official, in confirming the details of this account last week, said that the operation stemmed from Rumsfeld’s long-standing desire to wrest control of America’s clandestine and paramilitary operations from the C.I.A.

 

thanks for the link - i swear the problem with a psycho like rumsfeld is that he thinks he's clever, which allows him to just go outer limits like this

 

that is a very good question.
either way i will not be suprised.
on one hand i kind of think bush doesnt know much of what is going on; and
on the other hand i really dont think bush would have opposed such a thing.

 

not unless it was in the folder of clippings laura and karl make up for him

 

dont go into it that much plz cuz i dont want the topic to be changed, but i am just curious if things like this are covered in depth on the news in the netherlands?

 

hard to say, my dutch is in its infancy so im not really watching the local news - euronews network is usually all over the big stuff

 

ty, good luck with the dutch!

 

Plame revenge is a dish best served cold.

 

Well, at least torturing all those Afghanis helped us catch Osama Bin Laden.


Oh, wait.....


nevermind.

 

People, sh1ts start hitting the fan!

 

I want Rumsfeld tried as a war criminal.

 

I figured this came from someone high up. I figured either Wolfowitz or Rumsfeld.

Both of them should be in jail.

And Bush should be impeached for the treasonous act of outing a CIA agent.

 

That works too. And take that nutcase Wolfowitz with him.

 

The article states about that the SAP Rummy set-up,

The operation had across-the-board approval from Rumsfeld and from Condoleezza Rice, the national-security adviser. President Bush was informed of the existence of the program, the former intelligence official said.

I don't know if he knew explicitly, but I wouldn't be surprised if he had some sort of idea or was told, "You don't need or want to know what we'll be doing."

 

Does it really matter what exactly was or was not told? Of course they knew, but it's better to be a bit vague about it. The less you know, the better. Doesn't mean you don't actually know.

 

yeah thats seems to be the administration's new slogan:

"we were told... but not briefed"

i dont think these idiots could admit a fart in an otherwise empty room