Mhmm, I like that stadium. Whatever they do make it like Red Bull Arena. No f'ing stages. Add a stage outside with some empty space or something.
Yeah, that's a great idea replace a crap stadium, with a newer version of a crap stadium. What we need is a beautiful, actual soccer stadium (no stages), something that makes Columbus residents say wow. And place it right in the Brewery District. We do that were getting 20,000 a game. Or at least I think your seeing a tremendous uptick. The current stadium just doesn't feel big league.
It's also not being used for soccer anymore, having been surplanted by the new Allianz Arena in 2005. I think they have had trouble with the roof and with the switch to all-seater stadia for major events, it was too small for Bayern. What ever we would build, however, *will* have a stage. It's simple economics.
Bull-effing-SHITE!!! Anyone proposes that to HSG would be laffed out of the fcuking conference room LOOK at the damn thing and make a business case for it!! Even with a larger capacity. Talk about a 'temporary grounds'. Looks like something a HS graphic design/architect wannabe would come up with!!! Sorry.. some people got no brains.
Somewhere along the way I remember seeing a picture of a proposed CCS with an uneven north end. It almost looked like the adidas logo, which would make sense, given the fact that for a while, sections 135-139 were nicknamed "the adidas end."
...but how much 'economics' has that stage brought them? I'm just asking. It's something I thought about after I saw that tool Dave Matthews jumped ship to the ball park at the first opportunity.
If you put a stadium downtown and make it attractive you will sell many more tickets. CCS just isn't that attractive and doesn't feel like an event often times and as a result you have to look at making extra money via concerts. I don't get why you need a stage, just put some empty space behind the one goal (enough for a stage), have steep seats behind it, and then have your concert that way. Stages in SSS's totally ruin the look of a stadium. I just want a brick stadium, with a roof, downtown. I think that baby would sell out. At some point whoever is owning this team has to figure out if they're in the soccer business or the rock on the range business. You can still have some concerts without making a massive stage. Just have to be smart about it. There are ways to make it look like an actual soccer stadium and still make it easy for a concert.
HERE's someone using his head. A damned good case for unbolting the thing and moving it to use as a base for the new stadium. Dont need anymore big concert venues in Columbus
Look at how hockey stadiums do it - just take one end, put some tarp or some kind of floor down, put a stage on top of that. There have to be a million ways to do this.
"Rock on the Range" has been pretty big. A lot of the resons for having a perminant stage are logistical--that's why they did it in the first place. Now, a totally new stadium might allow for better logistics--remember Crew Stadium was just about thrown together at the last minute without the infrastructure being fixed (no road behind the stadium and no I-71 interchange work at Hudson had been done). But there *will* be something, even if the baseball stadium is used--because Crew Stadium can hold 30K for a concert and the only other venue in the city/region that can do that is Ohio Stadium. Even if it's only 2-3 shows a year, it is worth it to the bottom line of the organization--and less shows means a *greater* likelihood of a permanent stage as that cuts down on set up and one-time costs. Again, it's economics. If they think they can make more money doing it, they will.
it's not a crap stadium. it's a landmark, represents the foundation of soccer in the U.S., and is an historic icon. substance over style any day of the week, any year of the decade, any decade of a century, and any century of a millennium.
Yeah exactly. The main problem with stage stadiums in MLS is that each of them has no personality. Our stadium has some personality because of the Nordecke and the history. But, look at FCD, Colorado, Real Salt Lake, Chicago, and etc.- just no personality. The model of Red Bull Arena, even if cheaper versions, is the sort of model that should be followed to some extent. Watching Red Bull v. Santos, it looked like a mini-Emirates Stadium, looked like you were watching a Champions League game or something if you forgot what the teams were. Either the Crew ownership should shoot for something like that or just forget it. And, if the Hunt's are still owning us there will be a damn stage in FCD style because I'm not sure if Clark Hunt gets it yet.
Hear! Hear!! I love Crew Stadium and, frankly, would be embarrassed if the club seriously pushed for a new venue any time in the foreseeable future. For me, replacing Obetz is a far greater priority.
you are arguing both sides of the point now. you are useless and need a filter for your brain. you have a new screenname, but it's the same shitty product. welcome to my ignore list.
So, you want a modern CCS with no roof, a stage, and etc. Fantastic. Let's just move CCS to the Brewery District then. Yeah Municipal Stadium in Cleveland had a lot of history too. But, Cleveland Browns Stadium is better for attracting more fans. If you want to have a trip down CCS memorial lane watch a game from this time period or look at some pictures. I get it's the first stadium. And, all this cherished history stuff. But, that doesn't make it not a crappy first stadium. There are a lot of historic stadiums, Yankees Stadium for one, but fans get over it when they're owners build a nicer one. Either do something completely unique or different or don't build a new stadium at all. You see how the current stadium attracts the fan, an updated erector set downtown won't do much better.
But the best way to do that might be as part of a package including a new stadium. This may be why they have delayed the original plans (that and the economy) to have a new training center up and running in the "near future". Unfortunately, with all the nice, new stadia coming on line, the first is starting to become the last. This is not a big problem right now, but I can see them looking forward to 2020 and wanting a new place by then, especially as the Jackets and Clippers are now established (with a nice infrastructure) downtown--which they weren't when Crew Stadium was built in 1999. People are now *used* to going downtown for sports and fun. If the casino ends up on the West side, then that land becomes available. So, we'll see what happens. There's no pressure to make a deal like there was when Crew Stadium was being built, where we *had* to have a stadium built and right away because there was no other choice.
Lol, glad to be on it. Because you're not exactly using the brain cells either if you want them to build a new CCS. What the f would be the point of that? You can extract the Nordecke and you can build a hall of fame honoring the old stadium in a brillant new stadium. But, building a similiar version of CCS is pointless. It's an ugly stadium. It's our stadium and I love it for that and it's history and all that, but it's still ugly. Either do something dramatically better or don't do nothing at all. I can appreciate the history of the stadium as being the first soccer stadium in America while still realizing that this team deserves a better, more attractive home venue. And, putting someone on ignore is a sure sign of a real winner. It pretty much says, "I know my argument is stupid, so if I ignore the other argument I win." So congrats there buddy, lol.
Uninformed question... Does the Party on the Pitch area get used much? On TV and the time I've been up there, it looks like no one's there. That would have seemed to be the logical place for a temp stage. No stands directly adjacent to it, decent sight lines from the corners and sidelines, ingress/egress, etc. My dream, if you had to include a stage in a design, would be to have the "roof" part be cantilevered so you could angle the roof down and make it a stand (think chairs or terrace mounted on top of the existing stage roof that could be pulled down to make a "stage kop" and hide the stage during games.)
And that's what had to happen at Crew Stadium before the stage was built. It was a far more expensive, time consuming and potentially damaging (to the playing surface) process than exists with the stage. Look, we went over this in 2008. There was a lot of Crew Angst (we have or own version) in here about the stage, what a disaster it would be, how we coudl kiss goodbye hosting US-Mexico, etc. But a funny thing happened on the way to the apocalypse: the stage worked. Not only was it not a disaster for your average Crew game, it served to consolidate the supporters in a corner of the stadium that was visible on TV, and of course we got the US-Mexico game, as per usual and used the stage for those shitty wooden bleachers used by the US supporters. Looks a bit like a gap-tooth, but I'm curious to see how the party on the stage looks this year; I would hope that the Crew FO gussies up the appearance somewhat, so that it doesn't look like a garage with a few tables strewn about.
Less argue... more Stadium Pron... Any of these would look fabulous where Vets Memorial is right now. Right on the Scioto River, a centerpiece for the re-development of the west bank of the Scioto and the West Broad St. area. Build a pedestrian bridge from North Bank Park to the stadium, thus linking it with the Arena District. Parkstad Limburg Stadion, Roda JC, Netherlands, capacity: 19,200, built 2001. Lerkendal Stadion, Rosenborg BK, Norway, capacity: 21,166, built 2002.
Like when you're arrested five years down the road for soliciting male prostitutes. Ahh, being on ignore has its perks.
Exactly, beautiful. Now really if we had that in the Brewery District just down the road from Claddagh's and a hall of fame that included great memoribilia from the old stadium would any Crew fan really have a problem with the new stadium not looking like the current one? And, i'm the idiot. Okay. Sorry that I think this club deserves more with a new stadium than what financially-limited stadium designs were available to an American soccer club in the 90's.
Well, I'm biased because I'm still relatively new around these parts, but I'd love to see a new stadium. It's not that I don't love CCS and all it stands for and everything, but I just think our team needs a nicer home. Lamar built CCS to prove it could be done and I would say that's proven true with Rio Tinto, RBA and all the many new ones to pop up recently. Don't you think LH would want his franchise to prosper from his trail blazing?
One word: Trucks. That's why the stage was built where it was. That's the best way to get the trucks/roadies needed for a concert in and out--at the *back* of the stadium. Putting them at the entrance screws up vip parking and other entrances and creates conflicts with people and stuff getting in and out. Now, when the stadium was built, the road behind it and the I-71 access *did not exist*. Just mud back there. That's why the PoP was set up with possible stage setup etc. It was the only way to get stuff in at first. The stadium was thrown together realy quick and it's a testimony to the designers that it works as well as it does yet many compromises were made to get it up in time--one of which was not having the back entrances done at first.