New or Used: The Stadium Thread

I could see them starting on the work surrounding the stadium this summer, but I agree its probably unlikely they will be ready for the actual stadium work to begin.

Yeah, I don't think it will be done for a few years in all likelihood.

Certainly the preferred option for the owners and the supporters I would imagine.

It's going to take a while, but they should be able to get it right.

Some new designs are out from Sports-Stadia, not sure if they are official or not.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2011/03/a-glimpse-of-what-the-new-anfield-may-look-like/

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New Anfield



Redeveloped Anfield




Expanded Anfield

Redeveloped is the best looking, but I don't like any of the designs to be honest.


The new anfield looks awful.

WTF is that Stupid looking thing on top of the first rendering and what earthly use is it.

Lipstick on a pig I believe the overused term is.....and that is a pig.

My guess is it part of the roof structure.

An interior shot

Not official. Designed independently of LFC, it says.

Sorry for late reply with respect to how I knew the number of people on the list.

The person who told me that works for the marketing department of the club.

The figure of 250,000 is about right. Recently, the club announced they were writing to the first 25,000 people on the list (all of whom registered before the 04/05 season) to update them on their status. The list is closed to new applicants.

Your mate is pretending to be a good deal more important to you than his real role in the Marketing department actually warrants then, if he's sticking to such obviously silly numbers. 250,000 equates to 1 in 5 people across the whole of Greater Merseyside, from Hoylake to Widnes, Southport to Chester.

And in any case, the real points you haven't addressed: a waiting list isn't the correct impetus for expansion, weekly capacity figures are.

Who says season ticket holders have to be from Merseyside?

Not sure if you get to any games at Anfield or not Matt, but if you do, talk to people sitting around you. There are season ticket holders from all over the UK, Ireland and other European countries.

As for the numbers, here's a link to the FAQ issued by the club following their announcement they were updating the first 25,000 fans on the waiting list, and that these fans joined the list before April 2004. Consider that these numbers will have continued to grow in the past seven years and would have shot up after Liverpool won the Champions League and had a good run at the league title, so I believe the figure I was quoted.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/season-ticket-waiting-list-initial-faq-s

As for attendances, I'm unsure of what your point is. The only poor attendance I can recall in the league was the Bolton game. But, that was on New Years Day so many people could have missed the game for a large variety of reasons, or been broke after Christmas and couldn't afford a ticket. That attendance was skewed somewhat by Bolton not bringing many fans and some of the missing home fans may have been season ticket holders so the club wouldn't have lost out financially.

Some of the Europa League attendances would have suffered from fan perceoption that it was a second-rate competition and the knowledge that some of the stars would be rested.

As for an increased attendance on a new stadium, surely the fact that there are so many people who've indicated that they would be willing to buy a season ticket indicates that there is sufficient fan interest to merit a capacity increase.

no one, but the overwhelming majority are, Scandiwegian and Paddy ticket clubs notwithstanding.

Not that it seriously matters, but it's statistically improbable that the routinely quoted figure of "about 25000" has turned into a quarter of a million people in seven years.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/attendance/_/league/eng.1/barclays-premier-league?cc=5739

42,283 average attendance this season. And no, that's not explained by one hangover fixture and poor away attendance (which rarely happens). It's explained by Roy Hodgson, to be sure, but ultimately, the point I'm making is as I've said: weekly attendance figures drive stadium planning, not the quasi-hereditary ST list. And we've never had attendances to warrant more than a 55,000 capacity ground, if we're lucky.

Well, I do think we could sustain a larger ground. But that's more like 55-60 than 70-80k. Ticket numbers certainly have been down a bit this past year or two, but you must also consider that many of those down numbers are probably considering poor showings with FA Cup, UEFA, Carling, or whatever. If they're not including those numbers, then, while disappointing, I'm not sure I can really blame some. Tickets aren't cheap, and against some inferior sides, with bad owners, bad managers, and bad performances, I could understand some going unsold.


The problem is still balancing how many will be willing to fork over the increased ticket prices for a new stadium (my feeling is not that many as you would think)

However, I do think there are enough Liverpool fans to sustain a larger stadium. they might need to work on package deals from elsewhere to make them more viable for others traveling outside of Mersey, but that's not impossible.

Our average league attendance in the 2008/09 season, which I'm sure we can all agree was both exciting and successful and enjoyable (albeit ultimately fruitless) was 43,611. In 2001/02, the last time we finished second and pushed for the title, it was 43,388.

People need to stop kidding themselves.

once again, there are matches that just don't sell to walkups. That's why they're trying to identify the actual demand for season ticket holders.

that's part of the reason they're going through the season ticket holders list. If they can find 6-7k more season ticket holders, then a 55-60k seater isn't that bad of a deal.


I'll give you an example. I split a pair of Washington Capitals season tickets with a buddy of mine. there are 41 games in that package. at least 10-15 of those are games I've got minimal desire to go see (against the Florida Panthers, NY Islanders, Atlanta Thrashers and other terrible teams) and honestly, I would never buy them if not for wanting the other games (that I can't get without a season ticket package). Season ticket holders are the solution to many of the sales problems.

Additionally, I'm certain FSG are going to work to sell more tickets to corporate sponsors (though in Liverpool there might be less option for that) to make sure all are sellouts.

Like I said, a 55k stadium is within reasonable bounds. But some of the fantasy figures I've seen knocked about - and remember, this is about what type of stadium project we undertake - have been beyond absurd. We can't allow our wishing to do our thinking.

Capacity now is something like 45K+. 55K would be a reasonable guestimate for a new/revised stadium that could handle the influx of new season holders.

Even at best, in the early Shankly years with the standing on the Kop, Anfield Road end and Paddock, we rarely saw more than 60K.
I was in one match with about 62K and I think that was a record.

Goodison is down to 40K now when once it held 80. I can't see that getting any bigger. Was once a favourite Semi final FA Cup ground and Brazil's home groung for the WC. Things change.

the problem with 55 is you might as well squeeze it into what you've got now.


They really need a new ground. I know Anfield is Anfield, but the boxes, luxury areas, facilities and the like are where much of the money is going to be earned.

Redevelopment "could" bring many of these options, but I'm not sure.

Skipping the financials, I'd rather have 10,000 more spaces for punters. The club is not a corporate toy for bankers from the City. With that many spots I think I could get in to most matches, if I was able to fly over, and just maybe some other supporters who know the songs and love the football can get in as well.

I still like the idea of a revamp of Anfield but the logistics and variables are enormous. First they need to aquire a couple of streets of houses, been tried before with not a lot of success. Then they'd have to tear the stadium down, one section at a time and totally remodel and rebuild it and the facilities that go with it.

Whichever way they go, we're talking years.

Actually, they already own all the houses on Lothair Road. That's been sorted for a while. As to boxes and troughs, a redevelopment of that stand would presumably factor that in.

That would be preference, too. Too bad about these pesky financials, eh?

I knew they'd been working on that for a while and had just a couple of holdouts. Nice to know it's sorted. Makes a huge difference.
I think Kemlyn is tied up and Skerries was a target at one time. I'm a little out of touch there.

It's a bit of a touchy subject. Whilst LFC ponders hither and tigger about their staium, L4 is left to rot. All the streets they've bought look like war zones.

Liverpool L4, I can just imagine. Let's hope they make that decision soon.