NBC Sports president: superclubs generate ratings

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by vevo5, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. HunterX

    HunterX Red Card

    Aug 24, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    no there's not. There's no reason why MLS cannot operate like baseball with each club controlling its own revenues. Single entity is a choice by MLS, not the only option.

    oh and btw American Needle argued that the NFL was made up of 32 individual independent entities. Not a single entity. And they won.
     
  2. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    American needle won, not the NFL
    http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/05/24/american-needle-high-court-delivers-9-0-shutout-against-nfl/

    And baseball has a congressional anti trust exemption. MLS and the NFL do not. That's why it's the only option
     
  3. HunterX

    HunterX Red Card

    Aug 24, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
  4. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But all of the other leagues want to be single entity. NFL tried to stuff the genie back in the bottle to try and win American Needle...
     
  5. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is if they want to act in concert with each other in an anti competitive way. That's what the American Needle decision says.

    http://www.rkmc.com/publications/ar...ourt-stops-nfl-s-drive-for-antitrust-immunity
     
  6. HunterX

    HunterX Red Card

    Aug 24, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    No they don't. If they wanted to be then they would. But the fans would never ever be for it anyway.

    MLS is single entity because they chose to be. And that's fine. But that's not make bogus arguments that MLS is single entity because they have no choice to be. There are no other single entity leagues in other American sports. And no other American sport would ever consider it. American sports leagues are made up of independent teams (companies) that play under an Association.
     
  7. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. vevo5

    vevo5 Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Credit to MLSFan123

    Home teams listed first. All times are Eastern

    NBC Sports Network (all ratings for 2.5 hour window unless specified)
    Game 0: 95k (RSL vs SEA) Saturday 7:30pm 2/23/2013*
    Game 1: 107k (HOU vs DC). Saturday 8:00pm. 3/2/2013
    Game 2: 79k (CHI vs NE) Saturday 7:30pm 3/9/2013
    Game 3: 82k (KC vs CHI) Saturday 3:00pm 3/16/2013
    Game 4: 209k (SEA vs POR) Saturday 8:00pm 3/16/2013
    Game 5: 97k (DC vs COLU) Saturday 3:30pm 3/23/2013
    Game 6: 100k (NY vs PHI) Saturday 3:30pm 3/30/2013
    Game 7: 41k (COLO vs RSL) Saturday 7:30pm 4/6/2013
    Game 8: 86k (DAL vs LA) Saturday 3:30pm 4/13/2013
    Game 9: 108k (POR vs SJ) Sunday 10:30pm 4/14/2013
    Game 10: 58k (LA vs KC) Saturday 10:30pm 4/21/2013
    Game 11: 53k (MON vs CHI) Saturday 4:00pm 4/27/2013
    Game 12: 122k (COL vs NY) Saturday 4:00pm 5/4/2013
    Game 13: 51k (CHI vs PHI) Saturday 1:30pm 5/11/2013
    Game 14: 80k (KC vs HOU) Sunday 3:30pm 5/26/2013
    Game 15: 96k (NE vs LA) Sunday 4:00pm 6/2/2013
    Game 16: 149k (SEA vs VAN) Saturday 10:30pm 6/8/2013
    Game 17: 133k (POR vs COLO) Sunday 7:00pm 6/23/2013
    Game 18: 123k (PHI vs DAL) Saturday 5:30pm 6/29/2013
    Game 19: 173k (VAN vs SEA) Saturday 11:00pm 7/6/2013
    Game 20: 126k (POR vs LA) Saturday 11:00pm 7/13/2013
    Game 21: 94k (HOU vs CHI) Saturday 8:00pm 7/27/2013
    Game 22: 83k (KC vs NY) Saturday 6:30pm 8/3/2013
    Game 23: 58k (PHI vs DC) Saturday 8:00pm 8/10/2013
    Game 24: 110k (NY vs PHI) Saturday 8:00pm 8/17/2013


    http://sonofthebronx.blogspot.com/2013/08/mlb-network-golf-channel-nbc-sports_23.html

    All times are Eastern

    Week 1:

    Liverpool vs. Stoke City (Sat. 7:38AM- 9:43AM): 287k
    Arsenal vs. Aston Villa (Sat. 9:57AM-12:02PM): 450k
    Crystal Palace vs. Tottenham (Sun. 8:28AM-10:27AM): 238k
    Chelsea vs. Hull City (Sun. 10:57AM- 1:00PM): 443k
    Manchester City vs. Newcastle (Monday 3PM ET): 189k


    Week 2:

    Aug. 21 2:30 p.m. ET Chelsea vs. Aston Villa NBCSN
    Aug. 24 7:45 a.m. ET Fulham vs. Arsenal NBCSN
    Aug. 2410 a.m. ETTBDNBCSN

    Aug. 2511 a.m. ETTBDNBCSN
    Aug. 263 p.m. ETManchester United vs. ChelseaNBCSN - 536k
     
  9. vevo5

    vevo5 Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    93,000 less viewers on ESPN2 compare to 2009.

    MLS TV Ratings is regressing. Not good especially since the salary cap increase will largely depend on the next tv deal.
     
  10. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2.0 hours vs 2.5 hours makes up some of the difference, still down I would assume. But 93K down is an over statement.
     
  11. Alek James Hiddel

    Jul 15, 2013
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    The Premier League can have Superclubs because the teams that make up the numbers have 100+ years of history and fanbases that have existed for generations. Even the worst teams in the league have a target - survival - that makes every game significant.

    MLS doesn't have either of those things. Chivas USA attendance is down over 1/3 this year because they suck ass, they have nothing to play for since like May, and 9 years isn't enough time to build up a fanbase that will stick with you through bad times. I don't think MLS can support a Chicago Cubs-type team: loveable perennial losers with tons of fans who say "This could be the year!"

    So at this stage in our development, Superclubs would be devastating to the league. The teams that aren't Seattle, NYC2, or LAG will simply die a slow painful death. And even a club as Super as Real or Barca still needs someone else to play against.
     
  12. John Mercado

    John Mercado Member

    Mar 8, 2010
    Seattle
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I don't know... of course nobody does, the future is hard to forecast, but an infinite amount of future parallel universes can be imagined with a different outcome for each. Many on here are very sure exactly what will happen based on often repeated stores about the past.

    Lets say we keep things the way they are with three DPs that cut deeply into a small cap that is designed for financial stability for a club with an average of fifteen thousand fans. We call this universe (A).
    In Universe A MLS might just putter on with some success and as it ages things settle down and some clubs over time just seem to be more dominate due to more ambitious ownership and more money spent on academies, better scouting and higher paid coaching staff. In our universe it is understandable that given very stringent and small perimeters from which to work ; some find success over and over. Look at auto racing for example. Some of the competitors are out front more then not even though the cars components and engines are much the same for every entry. This and America's Cup racing are endeavors that a minuscule deference here and there will make or break a competitor.
    In Universe A your club gets beaten most the time by the same clubs that seem to always reside near the top of the standings every year. Then in turn these clubs loose every year in the CCL to Mexican clubs after winning their own league.

    Or in Universe B your club gets beat by the same clubs more often then not as well, but these clubs were in the news not too long ago for being in world club cup competition which makes loosing more tolerable. And in universe B because of the success there is more media attention, more TV viewers and more money for your mid level club because the single entity league is making more money.
    The question is if A can exist then would it be wrong to want B instead.
    Maybe neither of these would be a probable future but MLS needs to keep running possible scenarios as they think about how to grow in the future as a league.
     
  13. Alek James Hiddel

    Jul 15, 2013
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Universe B is unlikely because the CCL isn't regarded very highly in this country so beating Mexican teams isn't going to bring much more media attention. And getting pasted by Barcelona in the CWC might bring some media attention, for all the wrong reasons.

    We're not even 20 years in. It took Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester United, etc. more than 100 years to get where they are today. And for every "superclub" there is a Portsmouth or a Rangers that reached for the stars and went bust. Slow and steady is working for MLS.
     
  14. John Mercado

    John Mercado Member

    Mar 8, 2010
    Seattle
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Well I suppose you might be right. but it would be fun to see an MLS club play Barcelona in a real game even if they did get pasted.
     
  15. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Marketing generates ratings. "Superclubs" have huge marketing budgets.
     
  16. Cyclonis

    Cyclonis Forza Juve

    Jul 12, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I enjoy MLS b/c it seems to be a very open championship where many teams have a chance to win it all. Making it predictable by promoting super clubs, would only increase the bore factor. I'd rather they talk about creating a super league.
     

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