Most Important Position

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  1. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Valdez is useless, yet people think he's great because he plays for Barca. That tells you something about GK
     
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  2. kick96

    kick96 Member

    Nov 10, 2012
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I think it's gotta be not just a centre back but a strong centre back partnership. Look at any league winning team (except perhaps barca over the past years but puyol and pique are good passes so keep the ball etc..). Man united's centre backs worked oh so well this season with one another as the season progressed which is what got them back to the top and as chelsea's fell off you saw them drop. Liverpool, weak centre backs = weak performances but as that strengthened, better form. Arsenal became stronger as their centre backs did. Bayern Munich, solid backline ultimately led them to their treble. City's successes have been built upon lescott and kompany's partnership and as this has diminished as has city's form.
     
  3. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
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    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Barca is a good example of your theory. Since Puyol declined and can't really play anymore to his old abilities, Barca hasn't won anything and they have a horrible defense now
     
  4. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
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    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    GK doesn't help you much when you're dominant, but when you're on the back foot, GK is suddenly your most vital position often.
     
  5. puertorricane

    puertorricane Red Card

    Feb 4, 2012
    Carolina PR
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Not one position is more important then the other, is a team sport.


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  6. kick96

    kick96 Member

    Nov 10, 2012
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    True, but if your building a team you should start with strong foundations, aka, the centre backs
     
  7. puertorricane

    puertorricane Red Card

    Feb 4, 2012
    Carolina PR
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil

    you can easily make a case for any position .... CBs, CMFs, STs, GKs all are important.. you are only as strong as your weakest link


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  8. Rob55

    Rob55 Member

    Nov 20, 2011
    I'm still on board with great finishers. Get the best players in the world that can score more goals than opponent. Teams with Messi, Renaldo or Van Persie last year. How did they end up?
     
  9. daniel10

    daniel10 New Member

    Jul 25, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I believe what our coach taught us. Goal Keeper is the most important position. Let all misfortune happen to your CMs, strikers, etc. Just hope your goal keeper won't mess up even a little bit of time.
     
  10. JaxFC

    JaxFC Member

    Aug 30, 2011
    Its a team sport, all would be useless without the others.
     
  11. Luis Suarez

    Luis Suarez Member

    Jul 14, 2013
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most important position is definitely the goalkeeper. Look at someone like Peter Schmiechel's influence on a game with spectacular saves. As others have pointed out, if someone at another position has a bad day, a good goalkeeper or other teammates can bail them out, but if a goalkeeper has a bad day, it directly results in goals and goals result in losses.

    Edit: Of course we can all agree that this is a team sport and all positions are equally important, but this is just for the sake of argument and good discussion.
     
  12. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Fans are.
    Without them, there would be no pro football today .......
    ;)
     
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  13. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Which position that most clubs spent all money to get their "best player" ??? Attacking:
    1- Cruijff world record in 70's 5 mils (forward, AM)
    2- Zico world record in 80's 11 mils (forward, AM)
    3- Ronaldo world record in 90's 32mils (forward)
    4- Zidane world record in mid 2000's 56mils (AM)
    5 - CR7 world record 80mils in 2010's (Forward/winger)

    and potentially ... Bale (a AM/winger) is on the way to break CR7's record soon, if Real agree the fee (rumor say 90+ mils)
     
  14. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    But that's also the position which sell tickets. People like to see goals.
     
  15. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    After all, it's fans who pay for all of this.
    Players only are "trade cards", for their own amusement.
     
  16. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    That doesn't really pertain to the conversation
     
  17. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    #42 Rickdog, Aug 24, 2013
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2013
    You think so ?

    Simply try to imagine any classic game of football, round the world played without fans in it or even TV (as it also are fans who move this ones interest too), and afterwards tell me it is the same thing.
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    Now if you want to limit the issue as to only whatever happens inside the pitch, well it is actually very simple.

    Most teams when they get a player sent off with a red card (no matter whom he is, or where he plays, or how much they pay for him), that team most of the times, ends up losing the game.
    All 11 players are equally important.

    As posted by more than someone here, it is a team sport.
     
  18. kick96

    kick96 Member

    Nov 10, 2012
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Ok now let's read the post title 'Most Important Position'. A fan is not a position in a team...
     
  19. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    No, it's not.

    Because during a football game in my back yard we don't have fans and support but we still have a most important position on the pitch. Fans are important for the professional game, not for the argument which is happening here.

    Argument here is, most important position in the pitch. Be it on your backyard or professional level.

    For the sake of argument we're using professional references, which is a common denominator for everyone.
     
  20. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I think in the adult game a pretty important position is the team captain if he can play his own position well. He has to be a starter somewhere on the field. He is important in practice as well as in the game. If he also the designated free kick taker he can be very important to the team. He can get your four or five games won that you would not have without him.
     
  21. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    :eek:, wow, that must be a very big backyard the one you have, to put inside of it, at least 11 players for each side, one referee, two assistant referee's

    Anyhow, you may think that there are no fans at your own backyard, but the truth is that everyone who is playing there must be a fan first, in order to make it possible that every one who is playing there, to accept that it is not an official pitch, and therefore be able to continue playing the game, pretending as if it was one. And most of the times, without a referee as well, so every player must officiate that duty within the pitch, and those who get called against them, accept the "others" call to be the right one (hard to imagine one of the other teams deciding to send off a player, with a red card).

    Now if you think a little bit more on it, maybe you should include "the referee", as the most important position in the pitch, as he is the one responsible to officiate that everything is played correct.

    And yes, some referee's decissions, are decisive in who gets to win and who gets to lose ....... :p


    Sorry, but the title of the topic, doesn`t imply that it is from one team or the other, or both, or even none of them.
    In fact, it doesn`t imply anything but "the most important position", in which case as this whole forum is about football or soccer, you can asume it is footbal or soccer about what we are talking about here
     
  22. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    you didn't get the analogy
    Once again you didn't get the analogy, and football started as an amateur sport (like all other sports) and not as a fan favorite sport.
    You're trying to prove a point that nobody here is arguing against.. because it's completely off topic on the conversation.

    We're not saying what's the most important part of professional football... you're off topic.
     
  23. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Ok , then.
    When you guys decide who has the most important position, put the 11 players playing at that position, and see what happens to your team. Good luck ..... :D
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    As said many times before, and not only by me.
    This is a "team" sport. All positions depend on each other.
     
  24. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    Basketball is a team sport.. put Micheal Jordan to play at every position and that team will run every team over..
     
  25. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Probably.
    But that only tells you that he was a great basketball player and says nothing about the positions where he actually played in. Besides in NBA Basketball, players rotate permanently and switch positions constantly, so you can`t use it, to compare it to football. Both sports are as diferent as black from white.

    As a side note, Mr Jordan played 13 seasons for the Chicago bulls and only won 6 titles with them, and also played 2 seasons for the Washington Wizards, where he did not win anything at all (didn`t even make it to the play-offs), so he actually didn`t run over every team he played against (you are putting to much over his myth).
    The one thing you obviously are forgetting about Mr. Jordan, is that for each one of his NBA titles he played for, he played them with an outstanding group of team mates and a great coach as well (Mr. Phil Jackson, whom has won titles with almost every team he has had), whom also did their part too.

    At last, Mr. Jordan only won 6 NBA titles (almost 10 players have beated him in this issue).
    Do some research yourself and find out how many NBA titles, did mr. Bill Russell, from the Boston Celtics, win, during his lifetime career.........

    ;)
     

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