MLS vs. NASL (vs. USL Pro)/ NYCFC vs. Cosmos (vs. Red Bulls)

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by Gaboo, Jun 5, 2013.

  1. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, NASL and MLS aren't interesting with working with each other at the moment. I see a time in the not so distant future where MLS, NASL, and USL are all working together to improve US and Canadian soccer as a whole.
     
  2. SolomonGrundy

    SolomonGrundy New Member

    Jun 7, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    None of those leagues want to improve soccer, they want to make money, and they don't want to share the pie. The only reason they would ever work together is if its in all of their financial interest.
     
  3. WhiteStar Warriors

    Mar 25, 2007
    St.Pete/Krakow
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. Jewelz510

    Jewelz510 Member+

    Feb 19, 2011
    Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is the first time I've ever heard of One World Sports.

    Looks like it's heavily geared toward Asian sports, with some billiards, squash, darts, archery mixed in. I see Indian field hockey. Asean PGA Tour.

    Anyway, good for the Cosmos. I'm waiting for the NASL to get a national TV deal on a channel I have.
     
  6. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Fixed it.
     
  7. TerminusFooty

    TerminusFooty Member+

    Feb 4, 2012
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Word. They could get one right now if they wanted to pay for the air time, like USL and WPS did a couple years ago on Fox Soccer. But I think their strategy is to get the stadiums full and rockin first, so they avoid broadcasting images of sparsely attended games to viewers across the country - like USL and WPS did.
     
  8. NodineHill

    NodineHill Member

    May 3, 2013
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    The "keep it local" strategy is the only one that works. Even now we occasionally see half empty MLS stadiums on TV. I'm surprised NBC Sports isn't just filming Cascadia and RSL games at this point.

    What the NASL is doing is building a base. Which is exactly what a league that's been back 3 years should be doing.
     
  9. NodineHill

    NodineHill Member

    May 3, 2013
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    As an alternate you could get a Roku box and download the Ustream channel to it. Then you can switch between the games on your TV with the remote. I do it every week.
     
  10. Simster

    Simster Member

    May 16, 2002
    London
    Club:
    Brighton & Hove Albion FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    This of course is the correct answer. NASL is a bit of a two-bit operation in comparison to MLS and as much as there are quotes attributed to Cosmos top brass that state they don't wish to be in a minor league, there are also equally pertinent quotes that suggest they are happy to be in NASL instead of MLS because "a rising tide lifts all boats".

    I would assume that if the NASL ever seriously threatens MLS as the top FIFA sanctioned league in the USA by simply offering more money to players in rented stadia, MLS wouldn't be forced to talk to them about a merger - they'd instead toddle off to FIFA and say "we haven't sunk billions of dollars into this game, into sensibly-sized soccer specific stadia, into reserve leagues and so on, just to see others benefit at our expense". And if FIFA took them seriously, they could cause all manner of problems to the NASL, especially as they could just revoke their sanction at any time. In fact, I'd be surprised if these sort of preliminary discussions hadn't happened already.
     
  11. NodineHill

    NodineHill Member

    May 3, 2013
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    You ascribe way too much power to a league which FIFA's president regards as a "joke".
     
  12. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    1. Last thing anyone would want is FIFA getting its fingers in your local league; they may find some discrepancies that can only be "fixed" with some hard cash. Like say multiple ownership of clubs, in our case 1 owner (in legal terms), free agency is another.

    2. Before FIFA and Concacaf get their finger in our pie, the USSF would have to get involved and since Sunil also works for SUM is not hard to see how he would rule in favor if he had to.

    3. Not that I think this will ever happen, but NASL is free to bid up player contracts if they want to, they can compete with MLS/USLPRO for players, sign college players that are drafted (as long as they did not sign a contract), as long as they are going after free players (in reality players MLS probably does not want) is all legal.

    4. So I am not sure what rule/regulation you think NASL would violate for USSF to pull their sanctioning (Other than the D2 standards NASL has agreed to follow), could you please give me an example?
     
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  13. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well the FIFA president is a huge joke, so maybe it takes one to know one.
     
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  14. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not criticizing MLS just saying I don't trust FIFA. That organization runs strictly on corruption, and politics and completely ignores the reality, and what it looks like to the outside world (see Qatar 2022). Basically they make a decision based on what is best for FIFA and then figure out how to justify it later. So I have no confidence that in an hypothetical fight between MLS and NASL that FIFA would actually side with the genuine D1 league. They are going to side with what ever league (individual person) they see as being friendliest to FIFA and will care very little for which league is actually bigger or has done more for Soccer in the US.
     
  15. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Blatter is still in charge of FIFA, we all know the first thing he will want American leagues to do in exchange of any FIFA backing (well he may want some donations first), he will bitch about "International schedule" and how all leagues should conform to it.

    That is enough for us to tell him to fuck off (in a PC kind of way)
     
  16. NodineHill

    NodineHill Member

    May 3, 2013
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Bless 'em for that. The NFL can't stand up against good old fashioned international intrigue. They'll probably respect the league that's been standing up for soccer for 20 years. The NASL :p
     
  17. NodineHill

    NodineHill Member

    May 3, 2013
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Wouldn't require too much of a switch on NASL's part. They're flexible :)
     
  18. TerminusFooty

    TerminusFooty Member+

    Feb 4, 2012
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. WhiteStar Warriors

    Mar 25, 2007
    St.Pete/Krakow
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. Gaboo

    Gaboo Member

    Jan 14, 2008
    Singapore
    Club:
    Fortuna Düsseldorf 1895
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'm not a big fan of listening to podcasts...can anyone who listened to it be bothered to sum it up? :)
     
  21. WhiteStar Warriors

    Mar 25, 2007
    St.Pete/Krakow
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Basically Stover said that they joined NASL because they don't have single-entity and soccer is growing in this country in large numbers and their is room for competition.

    and they want to bring NASL to all new levels, even though it's only in it's 3rd year.
     
  22. Sam U El

    Sam U El Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 31, 2013
    Seoul Korea
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on Seamus O'Brien's background, I think he's viewed by FIFA as more of an insider than Garber... However they all have their hands collectively in someones pocket I guess the analogy is whose hand goes deeper. ;)
     
  23. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You think it's good to have a guy that's connected to all of the FIFA corruption?

    Garber has WAY more money behind him than O'Brien, if it came to that. There's no competition between the leagues. It's comparing a breezy day to a hurricane.
     
  24. Sam U El

    Sam U El Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 31, 2013
    Seoul Korea
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You put way too much stock in MLS and the Don.... If they had that clout why can't the US secure another World Cup bid? which leads to the next point... I would say that since FIFA sanctions Futbol across the globe every league is tainted to some degree... Just look at all the shady WC awards we've recently had... But I don't see anyone turning away from WCQ because of the stench of corruption...
     
  25. CCSUltra

    CCSUltra Member+

    Nov 18, 2008
    Cleveland
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And you put way too much stock in O'Brien. As long as USSF is behind MLS, nothing will change.
     

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