Two people are walking along the street. One of them says "look there's a ten pound note on the ground". The other one says "No there isn't, if there was someone would have picked it up".
Being Canadian myself, I can tell you I don't think Canadians are block headed morons. This is a rather new idea. Forsyth Barr is the first of its kind in the world, to my knowledge, and it just opened in time for last year's Rugby World Cup. Maybe it just needs time to prove itself before others try out the design. I imagine a stadium such as this costs a fair bit of money, and you're right there may be concerns of heavy snow on that kind of roof. For these reasons, it may not work here. The new Roughriders stadium looks great. How definite are those plans? Glass roof looks great.
The cost to construct a retractable roof makes it financially unfeasible for a MLS sized stadium, given the current and reasonable projection of the popularity of soccer as a spectator sport in the US. Not to mention the difficultly of maintaining grass and the impossibility of cooling the stadium to a reasonable temperature if it were to be closed in the summer. And a dome? Why would anyone even consider that? "Similar" isn't the word I would use. Not to mention, those images are conceptual at this point, the final design is still some time away. Why bother with the roof when the CFL plays in the Summer? I would expect a 10 pound note to be lying on the ground. That's pretty heavy for currency and would probably tear your pocket right off. Prove itself for what? Please explain. The city where the stadium is built only receives snow every two-three years and never in any great amounts as opposed to many Canadian cities. I am right. This may come as a shock to you, but buildings are built differently, depending on where they are located to account for climate, seismic and other concerns. Those plans are conceptual. From the article: "The concept design has cost the city $575,000 so far.", so essentially there has been little to no architectural design or engineering to date. And it's not a glass roof. Glass is too heavy and too fragile to use in the ways show in the conceptual design.
Well there have been some concerns over the upkeep needed for the grass surface. It may take some time to find out if the stadium is really successful at maintaining grass indoors. Thanks for the wisdom. I'm not proposing we take the exact stadium and plop it on the shores of Lake Ontario. Simply the idea of a transparent roof to allow natural grass while also controlling climate. The roof could be pitched or heated to prevent snow accumulation, for example. Not glass yes, I misspoke. Forsyth Barr used ETFE, which I assume is a plastic of some sort.
The "grass" is already partially synthetic. They have mitigated some of the sun angle issues that plauge stadiums like RedBull with the transparent clerestory, but this town isn't in New Jersey either. Do you ever look up on roofs and see the snow jacks? Those are to keep ice and snow from falling off until it melts and they are increasingly becoming mandatory as a part of all building codes except for the Gulf Coast states in the US. The pitch required to get snow off before it accumulates is usually a 14/12 pitch or steeper, reminiscent of the architecture found in the Swiss/German/Italian Alps. That dramatically increases not just the height of your building's unusable space, but the cost as well. As for "heating" the roof, well, that's just silly talk. The cost would be astronomical for both the construction and the energy costs and would contribute to the snow melting, refreezing into large shards of ice that come flying down off the roof during the heating cycle and destroy property and kill people. Good luck insuring the building after you've engineered a potential fatality into the building. A polymer film which when used in roof structures is either used as a stressed skin between structural members or as a 2 or 3 layer system which has one or two "air layers" that have to be constantly pressurized. It is more typically used in facades than roofs (Allianz Arena) as it has very limited strength for live loads (Snow/Rain) and Dynamic (Wind) loading.
Though the design of the Regina stadium is currently conceptual, the final design will have a partial roof and must be engineered for a retractable roof to be added in the future. I am as skeptical of the flimsy spiderweb-like roof they have going as anyone, but the design group spoke of some "design innovations" they are taking advantage of to make it happen. I'll believe it when I see it, which should be after the conceptual design is approved in late January. The only reason a full roof was not in the plan from the beginning is cost. While most CFL stadiums are outdoor, the thinking is that the flexibility of having a year around facility (for bad weather during summer, plus conferences, other sports, concerts, etc in winter) outweighs the limitations. Especially in a smaller town like Regina (provincial capital, biggest city in hundreds of miles, pop=200,000) Its one part of why BC place added its retractable fabric roof in its recent renovation. And this week the department behind Montreal's olympic stadium recommended that its original 70's era retractable fabric roof be redesigned and installed. Currently a permanent steel frame supported fabric roof is installed. It is actually heated(hot water pipes are installed just under the outermost roof layer), and all snow on it must be melted as soon as possible. Despite this, the stadium is off limits during the winter months, after a 1999 snowstorm caused a cave in during a boating convention.
UEFA Full name - GelreDome Location - Arnhem, Netherlands Capacity: 25,000 Built in 1998 at a cost of 160 million guilders (US$64 millions) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GelreDome
Here are the coordinates: Link for Map on Google It is right beside Heroes Stadium in San Antonio, TX. On Google it looks like a dirt field as the satellites have not updated recently.
IIRC the pitch can be rolled out underneath one of the "endzones" for concerts. It's a bit big for a team like Arnhem, whose attending support is in the 15K range.
Well, Vitesse managed to inherit some, ahem, foreign infusions of cash. They're looking pretty strong this year on the whole, and success can wrangle up a few more fans.
Kadir Has Stadium UEFA Full nameKadir Has Stadyumu LocationKayseri, Turkey Opened08 March 2009 OwnerKayseri Metropolitan Municipality SurfaceGrass Construction cost 68 million (approx. € 28 million) ArchitectOfiss Mimarca Capacity32,864 Executive suites52
Astana Arena -Retractable roof LocationAstana, Kazakhstan Opened3 July 2009 OwnerMunicipality of Astana SurfaceArtificial turf Construction cost$ 185 million ArchitectTabanlioglu Architects Structural engineerBuro Happold Main contractorsSembol Construction Capacity30,000
i hope that the new stadiums have safe standing terraces, with rail seats or something and id rather see steep Kop grandstands along the pitch line, with double decks and the up teir being more above the first teir rather than so open, almost like a balcony . As in my head it would feel like the crowd is on top of the pitch and making it feel intimate and intimidating if the crowd is loud. ive wondered how this would look like.
i love the fold away chairs in the top pick, i dont like the wedges in between the stands i think something different could and should be done, but i love the steep loo i makes the stadium look bigger
I do like the Xolos Estadio Caliente (which is currently being upgraded) in Tijuana. When it's finished, it will look pretty good with tons of suites. It will seat 33,333.
Estádio Raimundo Sampaio Capacity:23 950Country:BrazilCity:Belo HorizonteClubs:América FC, Clube Atlético MineiroInauguration:2012Construction:22.01.2010 - 04.2012Cost:125 mln R$Design:Missyor Arquitetos
Stade Océane Capacity:25 178Business seats:2,713Country:FranceCity:Le HavreClubs:Le Havre ACInauguration:12.07.2012 (Havre AC - Lille OSC)Construction:12.07.2010 - 31.05.2012Cost:€101mDesign:KSS Group, SCAUContractor:VinciAddress:Boulevard de Leningrad, Le Havre
Parkstad Limburg Stadion Capacity:19 200Country:NetherlandsCity:KerkradeClubs:Roda JCInauguration:2000 (Roda - Zaragoza)Address:Ring 1, 6466 NH Kerkrade