Review: MLS Power Rankings 2014

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Fiosfan, Mar 5, 2014.

  1. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. Geneva

    Geneva LA for Life

    Feb 5, 2003
    Southern Cal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Montreal in last place? I guess we'll see, but doesn't seem like they've earned that.
     
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  3. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like the MLSSoccer.com writing staff is the next on Hinchey's bad list...
    BTW, Pablo is not the interim head coach. He's the coach that's currently heading the team, but he is not head coach, interim or otherwise. :D
     
  4. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. Kevin Lindstrom

    Oct 28, 2003
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. JoeCelt

    JoeCelt Member+

    Jul 7, 2012
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
  8. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. Kevin Lindstrom

    Oct 28, 2003
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  10. Fiosfan

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    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. Knave

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    May 25, 1999
  12. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
    Are the posters who maintain rankings models going to post their results this season? I really like the power rankings threads they produce.

    @vividox @aletheist @Jough were some that I remember. Apologies to those I can't recall.
     
  13. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    I occasionally added some as well. Statistics based rankings models tend to do notoriously badly at the beginning of a season. I don't even begin to have any faith in mine until every team has played at least 5 games.
     
  14. Kevin Lindstrom

    Oct 28, 2003
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
    Sure. I just wanted to get the call out there, and make sure you guys knew there was at least one person who appreciated seeing those once they're available.
     
  16. Indiscretion

    Indiscretion Member

    Aug 6, 2007
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LOL I did this too
     
  17. Kevin Lindstrom

    Oct 28, 2003
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. I don't post the raw numbers for that reason. I use them to identify outliers (FC Dallas had an inordinate amount of home games, etc.) but who is played and how the games go is more important than numbers at this point.
     
  18. Battler

    Battler Member

    Aug 30, 2007
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  19. Kevin Lindstrom

    Oct 28, 2003
    Dallas, TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. fuzzx

    fuzzx Member+

    Feb 4, 2012
    Brossard
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Duane Rollins is doing some advanced stats analysis over on www.Canadiansoccernews.com

    This week he did a team ranking based off Total Shot Ratio(TSR) as well as a measure of "Luck" using PDO(shot percentage over save percentage). Both these values have proven quite accurate over the course of the season.

    http://www.canadiansoccernews.com/c...th-part-II-The-fully-objective-power-rankings!

    It's worth reading, and is part of a wider series called "Jock Math"

    It suggests that SLC and Dallas are both underperforming, and their success comes form temporary luck more than sustainable performance.

    Alternately, Montreal is playing very well, but has been particularly "unlucky" thus far. Ditto Portland, and thus both teams should bounce back over the course of the season.
     
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  21. aletheist

    aletheist Member+

    Nov 17, 2010
    Olathe, Kansas, USA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ask and you shall receive! As @aperfectring already noted, it takes at least a few games for a system that only uses data from the current season, like my ELO+ ratings, to generate meaningful results. In fact, the numbers will continue to be quite "bouncy" for a while yet. A few other reminders:
    • A perfectly average team has a rating of 100; a 150-rated team is roughly 50% better than average, while a 50-rated team is about 50% worse than average.
    • All teams begin the season with a rating of 100; there is no carry-over from one year to the next.
    • Home-field advantage is calibrated to the average actual performance of home teams so far this season, and is updated with each new result.
    • The weight assigned to each outcome is based on the average number of games played per team; so it is the same for all rating calculations at any point in time, but changes with each new result.
    • There is no "bonus" for winning by multiple goals.
    • Points projections come from adding actual points earned to date to expected points for remaining games, which are calculated using current ratings.
    Here are the 2014 MLS ELO+ ratings and points predictions for 04/14.
    Code:
    Rank Team ELO+    Rank Team Points
     1   COL   144     1   COL   69.5
     2   RSL   127     2   SKC   62.1
     3   LAG   126     3   RSL   60.5
     4   SKC   126     4   LAG   59.5
     5   SEA   123     5   TOR   58.2
     6   DAL   119     6   CLB   57.7
     7   TOR   115     7   SEA   57.5
     8   CLB   114     8   DAL   57.0
     9   DCU   108     9   DCU   50.3
    10   NER    97    10   PHI   44.0
    11   PHI    96    11   NER   43.3
    12   VAN    88    12   VAN   38.7
    13   CHI    84    13   CHI   35.3
    14   CHV    78    14   HOU   33.3
    15   HOU    73    15   CHV   31.9
    16   NYR    71    16   NYR   29.4
    17   POR    71    17   MTL   27.8
    18   MTL    70    18   POR   27.7
    19   SJE    70    19   SJE   27.4
    
    The average number of games played per team is now 5.47 (K=36.5), and so far home teams have a (rather anemic) winning percentage of 0.558 (H=12). COL is at the top mainly because their last two games were both road wins.
     
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  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even with that I did not see us at the top coming. ESPN's weekly rankings also put us at the top. I'm not used to this...
     
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  23. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    I'm not used to this either. Except "this" in my case is finding teams other than mine at the bottom.
     
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  24. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Here's my numbers, they are both, at their heart based on the ratio of goals scored and goals allowed.
    HFA - adjusts for the remaining schedule, home field advantage, and includes the points earned so far
    EAP - Expected performance over a whole season if playing against an average opponent


    Team
    EAP HFA
    FCD66.960.0
    CLB60.957.5
    RSL62.355.0
    COL60.954.6
    LAG66.454.4
    SKC51.051.9
    SEA54.251.2
    TOR45.850.5
    VAN54.648.4
    PHI46.646.3
    DCU41.044.8
    HOU42.444.6
    CHI43.442.4
    NER28.738.2
    SJE35.937.2
    CHV32.436.4
    POR36.336.1
    NYR31.435.7
    MON31.434.9
     
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