MLS Cup Playoffs All-Time Table

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  1. henryo

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    Including the 1st legs of conference semis 2008:

    All Time (1996-2008) Playoffs Records By Club

    Pts# Club --- PO / SSn PO% - GP W- L T SOW GS GA GD Pts PPG PPG#
    1 Los Angeles 10 / 13 76.92% 45 26 15 4 1 75 53 +22 80 1.778 4
    2 D.C. United- 9 / 13 69.23% 36 23 09 4 3 59 43 +16 67 1.861 3
    3 Chicago --- 10 / 11 90.91% 37 19 13 5 2 53 35 +18 58 1.568 6 ^^
    4 New England- 9 / 13 69.23% 31 12 11 8 0 32 33 -01 44 1.419 7 ^^
    5 Kansas City- 9 / 13 69.23% 31 12 14 5 1 43 42 +01 39 1.258 9 ^^
    6 Columbus --- 8 / 13 61.54% 27 11 12 4 1 38 44 -06 35 1.296 8 ^^
    7 San Jose --- 6 / 11 54.55% 19 10 08 1 0 32 26 +06 31 1.632 5
    8 Dallas ---- 10 / 13 76.92% 29 09 16 4 2 38 55 -17 27 0.931 12
    9 Colorado --- 9 / 13 69.23% 27 07 15 5 0 26 42 -16 26 0.963 11
    10 New York - 10 / 13 76.92% 24 06 13 5 1 27 38 -11 21 0.875 13 ^^
    11 Houston --- 3 / 3 100.00% 09 05 02 2 0 16 08 +08 17 1.889 2 ^^
    12 Miami ----- 3 / 04 75.00% 10 03 07 0 0 06 13 -07 11 1.100 10
    13 Tampa Bay - 4 / 06 66.67% 11 02 09 0 0 12 23 -11 06 0.545 15
    14 Chivas USA- 3 / 04 75.00% 05 01 03 1 0 02 04 -02 04 0.800 14 ^^
    15 Salt Lake - 1 / 04 25.00% 01 01 00 0 0 01 00 +01 03 3.000 1 ^^
    16= Toronto -- 0 / 02 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00 00 000 00 0.000 16=
    16= Seattle -- 0 / 00 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00 00 000 00 0.000 16=

    ^^: Latest playoffs campaign still on-going

    Highlights:
    1. Wins included '96-99 Shoot-out Wins.
    2. Points are awarded base on FtW=3, OtW=3, SoW=1, T=1, L=0.
    3. L.A. still top on GP,W,GS,GD & Pts despite missing past 3 playoffs.
    3. Houston is now the only team with 100% playoffs participation rate.
    4. Call it "Beginners' Luck", but RSL is the only team winning 100% now, :p
    5. Coincidentally, all 4 games of 2008 conf.semis have paired-up the teams right next to each other in the all-time table! (base on points) :eek:


  2. henryo

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  3. socluis90

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    LA at the top of the table? Say it ain't so!
  4. henryo

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    Including the 2nd legs of conference semis 2008:

    All Time (1996-2008) Playoffs Records By Club

    Pts# Club PO/SSn PO% GP W- L T SOW GS-GA GD Pts PPG PPG#
    1 LAG-- 10/13 76.92% 45 26 15 4 1 75-53 +22 80 1.778 3
    2 DCU-- 09/13 69.23% 36 23 09 4 3 59-43 +16 67 1.861 2
    3 CHI-- 10/11 90.91% 38 20 13 5 2 56-35 +21 61 1.605 6 ^_^
    4 NER-- 09/13 69.23% 32 12 12 8 0 32-36 -03 44 1.375 7
    5 KCW-- 09/13 69.23% 32 12 15 5 1 43-44 -01 39 1.219 9
    6 CLB-- 08/13 61.54% 28 12 12 4 1 40-44 -04 38 1.357 8 ^_^
    7 SJE-- 06/11 54.55% 19 10 08 1 0 32-26 +06 31 1.632 5
    8 FCD-- 10/13 76.92% 29 09 16 4 2 38-55 -17 27 0.931 12
    9 COL-- 09/13 69.23% 27 07 15 5 0 26-42 -16 26 0.963 10
    10 NYRB 10/13 76.92% 25 07 13 5 1 30-38 -08 24 0.960 11 ^_^
    11 HOU 03/03 100.00% 10 05 03 2 0 16-11 +05 17 1.700 4
    12 MIA- 03/04 75.00% 10 03 07 0 0 06-13 -07 09 0.900 13
    13 TPB- 04/06 66.67% 11 02 09 0 0 12-23 -11 06 0.545 15
    14 CUSA 03/04 75.00% 06 01 03 2 0 04-06 -02 05 0.833 14
    15 RSL- 01/04 25.00% 02 01 00 1 0 03-02 +01 04 2.000 1 ^_^
    16= TFC 00/02 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00-00 000 00 0.000 16=
    16= SFC 00/00 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00-00 000 00 0.000 16=

    ^_^: Latest playoffs campaign still on-going

    Highlights:
    1. RSL still remained top in terms of PPG, while HOU dropped to 4th behind DCU/LAG.
    2. CLB/NYRB/RSL all stand a chance to move up the table (by points) in their respective conf. finals.
    3. The trend continues: Whenever SJE#1/HOU qualified for playoffs, they either gone all the way to win the Cup or crashed out in the first round.


  5. henryo

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    Now it's down to the final-2:

    All Time (1996-2008) Playoffs Records By Club

    Pts# Club PO/SSn PO% GP W- L T SOW GS-GA GD Pts PPG PPG#
    1 LAG-- 10/13 76.92% 45 26 15 4 1 75-53 +22 80 1.778 2
    2 DCU-- 09/13 69.23% 36 23 09 4 3 59-43 +16 67 1.861 1
    3 CHI-- 10/11 90.91% 39 20 14 5 2 57-37 +20 61 1.564 5
    4 NER-- 09/13 69.23% 32 12 12 8 0 32-36 -03 44 1.375 7
    5 CLB-- 08/13 61.54% 29 13 12 4 1 42-45 -03 41 1.414 6 ^_^
    6 KCW-- 09/13 69.23% 32 12 15 5 1 43-44 -01 39 1.219 9
    7 SJE-- 06/11 54.55% 19 10 08 1 0 32-26 +06 31 1.632 4
    8 NYRB- 10/13 76.92% 26 08 13 5 1 31-38 -07 27 1.038 10 ^_^
    9 FCD-- 10/13 76.92% 29 09 16 4 2 38-55 -17 27 0.931 12
    10 COL- 09/13 69.23% 27 07 15 5 0 26-42 -16 26 0.963 11
    11 HOU 03/03 100.00% 10 05 03 2 0 16-11 +05 17 1.700 3
    12 MIA- 03/04 75.00% 10 03 07 0 0 06-13 -07 09 0.900 13
    13 TPB- 04/06 66.67% 11 02 09 0 0 12-23 -11 06 0.545 15
    14 CUSA 03/04 75.00% 06 01 03 2 0 04-06 -02 05 0.833 14
    15 RSL- 01/04 25.00% 03 01 01 1 0 03-03 000 04 1.333 8
    16= TFC 00/02 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00-00 000 00 0.000 16=
    16= SFC 00/00 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00-00 000 00 0.000 16=

    ^_^: Latest playoffs campaign still on-going

    Highlights:
    1. RSL have now dropped to 8th (on PPG) after conf. final loss to NYRB.
    2. CLB & NYRB have both moved up the table (on points) after conf. finals.
    3. CLB can still overtake NER into 4th-place (on points) by winning the cup final.
  6. Z010 Union

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    Would the top of the table be more accurate if you sorted it by PPG?
  7. TrueCrew

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    For me, DC, LA, and CHI are definitely the class of the league historically.

    The next group of three is KC, SJ, and Houston. KC has had more success than many think, SJ has a SS and 2 MLS Cups, and Houston's history has been short, but they have made 2 good cup runs.

    These top account for all 12 MLS Cups (but not this year) and 9/13 Supporter's Shields. The only exceptions being the Crew's 2, and one from Tampa and Miami.

    If Columbus wins, I'd bump them into this group, they'd have 1 MLS Cup, 2 SS, and 1 USOC. Giving them more "trophies" than any team save the big 3, though less MLS Cups than SJ or Houston. Plus, then you'd have 7 teams accounting for all the MLS Cups and 11/13 SS, with the other two won by defunct teams.

    NE for all its success, has no trophy to show.

    EDIT: A column for the all time series/round record might also be informative.

    I know Columbus is 6-7 all time.
    Wins: 97 Tampa, 98 NY, 99 Tampa, 02 SJ, 08 KC, CHI.
    Losses: 96 Tampa; 97, 98, & 99 DC, 01 SJ, 02 NE, 04 NE.

    If we could have avoided the damn DC dynasty, who knows?
  8. henryo

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    All Time (1996-2008) Playoffs Records By Club: Updated after MLS Cup 2008 (Sorted by PPG)

    Pts# Club PO/SSn PO% GP W- L T SOW GS-GA GD Pts PPG PPG#
    02 DCU- 09/13 69.23% 36 23 09 4 3 59-43 +16 67 1.861 01
    01 LAG- 10/13 76.92% 45 26 15 4 1 76-53 +23 80 1.778 02
    11 HOU 03/03 100.00% 10 05 03 2 0 16-11 +05 17 1.700 03
    07 SJE- 06/11 54.55% 19 10 08 1 0 32-26 +06 31 1.632 04
    03 CHI- 10/11 90.91% 39 20 14 5 2 57-37 +20 61 1.564 05
    05 CLB- 08/13 61.54% 30 14 12 4 1 45-46 -01 44 1.467 06
    04 NER- 09/13 69.23% 32 12 12 8 0 32-36 -03 44 1.375 07
    15 RSL- 01/04 25.00% 03 01 01 1 0 03-03 000 04 1.333 08
    06 KCW- 09/13 69.23% 32 12 15 5 1 43-44 -01 39 1.219 09
    10 COL- 09/13 69.23% 27 08 15 4 0 27-42 -15 28 1.037 10
    08 NYRB 10/13 76.92% 27 08 14 5 1 32-42 -10 27 1.000 11
    12 MIA- 03/04 75.00% 10 03 07 0 0 06-13 -07 09 0.900 12
    09 FCD- 10/13 76.92% 29 09 17 3 2 38-56 -18 26 0.897 13
    14 CUSA 03/04 75.00% 06 01 03 2 0 04-07 -03 05 0.833 14
    13 TPB- 04/06 66.67% 11 02 09 0 0 12-23 -11 06 0.545 15
    16 TFC- 00/02 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00-00 000 00 0.000 16=
    16 SSFC 00/00 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00-00 000 00 0.000 16=

    Highlights:
    1. NER remain the highest-placed team without a title.
    2. KCW is now the lowest-placed former champions.
    3. COL/NYRB are the lowest-placed ex-finalists.
    4. Can TFC break the duck next season?
  9. henryo

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    All Time Playoffs Records By Club:
    After SEA 0-0 HOU on Oct-29, 2009 (Sorted by PPG)


    Pts# Club PO/SSn PO% GP W- L T SOW GS-GA GD Pts PPG PPG#
    02 DCU- 09/14 64.29% 36 23 09 4 3 59-43 +16 67 1.861 01
    01 LAG- 11/14 78.57% 45 26 15 4 1 76-53 +23 80 1.778 02 *
    11 HOU 04/04 100.00% 11 05 03 3 0 16-11 +05 18 1.636 03 *
    07 SJE- 06/12 50.00% 19 10 08 1 0 32-26 +06 31 1.632 04
    03 CHI- 11/12 91.67% 39 20 14 5 2 57-37 +20 61 1.564 05 *
    05 CLB- 09/14 64.29% 30 14 12 4 1 45-46 -01 44 1.467 06 *
    04 NER- 10/14 71.43% 32 12 12 8 0 32-36 -03 44 1.375 07 *
    15 RSL- 02/05 25.00% 03 01 01 1 0 03-03 +00 04 1.333 08 *
    06 KCW- 09/14 64.29% 32 12 15 5 1 43-44 -01 39 1.219 09
    10 COL- 09/14 64.29% 27 08 15 4 0 27-42 -15 28 1.037 10
    16 SEA 01/01 100.00% 01 00 00 1 0 00-00 +00 01 1.000 11 *
    08 NYRB 10/14 71.43% 27 08 14 5 1 32-42 -10 27 1.000 12
    12 MIA- 03/04 75.00% 10 03 07 0 0 06-13 -07 09 0.900 13
    09 DAL- 10/14 71.43% 29 09 17 3 2 38-56 -18 26 0.897 14
    14 CUSA 04/05 80.00% 06 01 03 2 0 04-07 -03 05 0.833 15 *
    13 TPB- 04/06 66.67% 11 02 09 0 0 12-23 -11 06 0.545 16
    16 TOR- 00/03 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00-00 +00 00 0.000 17

    * playoff series currently on-going

    Highlights:
    1. Also updated the same on Wiki: MLS: All-Time Playoff Records.
    2. HOU/SEA are the only teams with 100% playoff apperances. ;)
    3. In terms of playoffs/seasons %, 4-time champs DCU are only joint-11th in the table (with CLB, KCW & COL), & just ahead of SJE, RSL & TFC, :p
  10. Revolt

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    shouldn't w-l-t-sow sum up to gp?
  11. henryo

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    Per the Official Standings in the '96-99 Shoot-outs Era, "W" actually included "SoW".

    Currently, the league still include "SoW" in "W" for all stats. (esp. visible for head-to-head records among teams in game previews)

    Another related thread below, over similar confusions:

  12. henryo

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    All Time Playoffs Records By Club:
    as at Nov-2, 2009 (sorted by PPG)

    Pts# Club PO/SSn PO% GP W- L T SOW GS-GA GD Pts PPG PPG#
    02 DCU- 09/14 64.29% 36 23 09 4 3 59-43 +16 67 1.861 01
    01 LAG- 11/14 78.57% 46 26 15 5 1 78-55 +23 81 1.761 02 *
    13 RSL- 02/05 25.00% 04 02 01 1 0 04-03 +01 07 1.750 03 *
    11 HOU 04/04 100.00% 11 05 03 3 0 16-11 +05 18 1.636 04 *
    07 SJE- 06/12 50.00% 19 10 08 1 0 32-26 +06 31 1.632 05
    03 CHI- 11/12 91.67% 40 20 15 5 2 58-39 +19 61 1.525 06 *
    04 NER- 10/14 71.43% 33 13 12 8 0 34-37 -03 47 1.424 07 *
    05 CLB- 09/14 64.29% 31 14 13 4 1 45-47 -02 44 1.419 08 *
    06 KCW- 09/14 64.29% 32 12 15 5 1 43-44 -01 39 1.219 09
    08 COL- 09/14 64.29% 27 08 15 4 0 27-42 -15 28 1.037 10
    16 SEA 01/01 100.00% 01 00 00 1 0 00-00 +00 01 1.000 11 *
    09 NYRB 10/14 71.43% 27 08 14 5 1 32-42 -10 27 1.000 12
    12 MIA- 03/04 75.00% 10 03 07 0 0 06-13 -07 09 0.900 13
    10 DAL- 10/14 71.43% 29 09 17 3 2 38-56 -18 26 0.897 14
    14 CUSA 04/05 80.00% 07 01 03 3 0 06-09 -03 06 0.857 15 *
    15 TPB- 04/06 66.67% 11 02 09 0 0 12-23 -11 06 0.545 16
    17 TOR- 00/03 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00-00 +00 00 0.000 17

    * playoff series currently on-going

    Highlights:
    0. Updated the same on Wiki: MLS: All-Time Playoff Records.
    1. RSL shot to 3rd on PPG, ahead of 2x champs HOU/SJE. ;)
    2. NER have moved above CLB both on points/PPG for now.
    3. SEA climbed to 11th, ahead of NYRB/DAL/CHV, etc, despite without a goal so far, :p
  13. henryo

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    All Time Playoffs Records By Club:
    as at Nov-5, 2009 (after CLB 2-3 RSL)

    Pts# Club PO/SSn PO% GP W- L T SOW GS-GA GD Pts PPG PPG#
    12 RSL- 02/05 25.00% 05 03 01 1 0 07-05 +02 10 2.000 01 *
    02 DCU- 09/14 64.29% 36 23 09 4 3 59-43 +16 67 1.861 02
    01 LAG- 11/14 78.57% 46 26 15 5 1 78-55 +23 81 1.761 03 *
    11 HOU 04/04 100.00% 11 05 03 3 0 16-11 +05 18 1.636 04 *
    07 SJE- 06/12 50.00% 19 10 08 1 0 32-26 +06 31 1.632 05
    03 CHI- 11/12 91.67% 40 20 15 5 2 58-39 +19 61 1.525 06 *
    04 NER- 10/14 71.43% 33 13 12 8 0 34-37 -03 47 1.424 07 *
    05 CLB- 09/14 64.29% 32 14 14 4 1 47-50 -03 44 1.375 08
    06 KCW- 09/14 64.29% 32 12 15 5 1 43-44 -01 39 1.219 09
    08 COL- 09/14 64.29% 27 08 15 4 0 27-42 -15 28 1.037 10
    16 SEA 01/01 100.00% 01 00 00 1 0 00-00 +00 01 1.000 11 *
    09 NYR- 10/14 71.43% 27 08 14 5 1 32-42 -10 27 1.000 12
    13 MIA- 03/04 75.00% 10 03 07 0 0 06-13 -07 09 0.900 13
    10 DAL- 10/14 71.43% 29 09 17 3 2 38-56 -18 26 0.897 14
    14 CHV- 04/05 80.00% 07 01 03 3 0 06-09 -03 06 0.857 15 *
    15 TPB- 04/06 66.67% 11 02 09 0 0 12-23 -11 06 0.545 16
    17 TOR- 00/03 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00-00 +00 00 0.000 17

    * teams currently still in playoff

    Highlights:

    0. Updated the same on Wiki: MLS: All-Time Playoff Records.

    1. Shock, upset, surprise!! RSL have now shot to the top on PPG!! :eek:

    2. After CLB's loss, NER have sealed 4th-place by points this season, as no other teams can overtake them in this campaign, nor can they overtake 3rd-placed CHI.

    3. The "*" mark was removed for CLB as they are out of the playoff. 3 more teams will have their "*" removed this week as the conf semi concludes.
  14. henryo

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    All Time Playoffs Records By Club:
    as at Nov-8, 2009 (after conf semis)

    Pts# Club PO/SSn PO% GP W- L T SOW GS-GA GD Pts PPG PPG#
    12 RSL- 02/05 40.00% 05 03 01 1 0 07-05 +02 10 2.000 01 *
    02 DCU- 09/14 64.29% 36 23 09 4 3 59-43 +16 67 1.861 02
    01 LAG- 11/14 78.57% 47 27 15 5 1 79-55 +24 84 1.787 03 *
    11 HOU 04/04 100.00% 12 06 03 3 0 17-11 +06 21 1.750 04 *
    07 SJE- 06/12 50.00% 19 10 08 1 0 32-26 +06 31 1.632 05
    03 CHI- 11/12 91.67% 41 21 15 5 2 60-39 +21 64 1.561 06 *
    04 NER- 10/14 71.43% 34 13 13 8 0 34-39 -05 47 1.382 07
    05 CLB- 09/14 64.29% 32 14 14 4 1 47-50 -03 44 1.375 08
    06 KCW- 09/14 64.29% 32 12 15 5 1 43-44 -01 39 1.219 09
    08 COL- 09/14 64.29% 27 08 15 4 0 27-42 -15 28 1.037 10
    09 NYR- 10/14 71.43% 27 08 14 5 1 32-42 -10 27 1.000 11
    13 MIA- 03/04 75.00% 10 03 07 0 0 06-13 -07 09 0.900 12
    10 DAL- 10/14 71.43% 29 09 17 3 2 38-56 -18 26 0.897 13
    14 CHV- 04/05 80.00% 08 01 04 3 0 06-10 -04 06 0.750 14
    15 TPB- 04/06 66.67% 11 02 09 0 0 12-23 -11 06 0.545 15
    16 SEA 01/01 100.00% 02 00 01 1 0 00-01 -01 01 0.500 16
    17 TOR- 00/03 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00-00 +00 00 0.000 17

    * teams currently still in playoff

    Highlights:

    0. Updated the same on Wiki: MLS: All-Time Playoff Records.

    1. Chicago can overtake DCU into 2nd-place by points if they beat RSL in the conf. final next week.

    2. Houston can overtake both NYR/DAL by points if they get 2 more wins in the playoffs (& take home the MLS Cup).
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  15. Tmagic77

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    PPG isn't really a good measure for playoffs success since missing them completely doesn't hurt. I was going to suggest points per postseason, but the different formats messes with that too.
  16. jscott23

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    I would think a PP/SSn would give you your best indicator of historical playoff success.
  17. henryo

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    Agree, kind of noticed that when computed the PPG, will work out something along that line after the conf. finals.

    However, do bear in mind that this method still has a short coming, it can't differentiate teams that have:
    - never made playoffs (so far only TFC is in this category, but there could be more in future), and

    - made playoffs but lost all their games & knocked out in the 1st round, thus amassing 0 points, which is effectively the same as non-playoff teams. :p
    (Seattle could have been in this category for this season, had they not gotten a tie with Houston in the 1st leg of conf. semis.)
  18. henryo

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    All Time Playoffs Records By Club:
    as at Nov-15, 2009 (after conf finals)

    * PpgN = PO% x Ppg
    * teams currently still in playoff

    Pts# Club PO/SSn PO% GP W L T SOW GS-GA GD Pts Ppg PpgN PpgN#*
    11 HOU 04/04 100.00% 13 06 04 3 0 17-13 +04 21 1.615 1.615 01
    01 LAG- 11/14 78.57% 48 28 15 5 1 81-55 +26 87 1.813 1.424 02*
    03 CHI- 11/12 91.67% 42 21 15 6 2 60-39 +21 65 1.548 1.419 03
    02 DCU- 09/14 64.29% 36 23 09 4 3 59-43 +16 67 1.861 1.196 04
    04 NER- 10/14 71.43% 34 13 13 8 0 34-39 -05 47 1.382 0.987 05
    05 CLB- 09/14 64.29% 32 14 14 4 1 47-50 -03 44 1.375 0.884 06
    07 SJE- 06/12 50.00% 19 10 08 1 0 32-26 +06 31 1.632 0.816 07
    06 KCW- 09/14 64.29% 32 12 15 5 1 43-44 -01 39 1.219 0.784 08
    12 RSL- 02/05 40.00% 06 03 01 2 0 07-05 +02 11 1.833 0.733 09*
    09 NYR- 10/14 71.43% 27 08 14 5 1 32-42 -10 27 1.000 0.714 10
    13 MIA- 03/04 75.00% 10 03 07 0 0 06-13 -07 09 0.900 0.675 11
    08 COL- 09/14 64.29% 27 08 15 4 0 27-42 -15 28 1.037 0.667 12
    10 DAL- 10/14 71.43% 29 09 17 3 2 38-56 -18 26 0.897 0.640 13
    14 CHV- 04/05 80.00% 08 01 04 3 0 06-10 -04 06 0.750 0.600 14
    16 SEA 01/01 100.00% 02 00 01 1 0 00-01 -01 01 0.500 0.500 15
    15 TPB- 04/06 66.67% 11 02 09 0 0 12-23 -11 06 0.545 0.364 16
    17 TOR- 00/03 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00-00 +00 00 0.000 0.000 17

    Highlights:

    0. Updated similarly on Wiki: MLS: All-Time Playoff Records.

    1. Chicago remained 3rd by points after the PK loss to RSL in the conf. final.

    2. Houston remained 11th by points after the conf. final loss to L.A.

    3. As suggested, to better reflect the relative playoff performances among teams, a new column "PpgN" (Points-per-game Normalized = PO% x Ppg) was introduced, to account for the seasons where playoffs were missed.

    4. With this new ranking criteria:

    - Houston are tops, as one of the only 2 teams with 100% playoffs apperances and 2 titles in a relative short history of 4 seasons. ;)

    - 4x Champs DCU are only 4th due to their surprisingly low P.O. %.

    - NER are the highest-place teams without a championship.

    - '09 Surprise Package RSL are just 9th, rather than 2nd if simply ranked by PPG.
  19. henryo

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    All Time Playoffs Records By Club:
    as at Nov-23, 2009 (after MLS Cup Final, better late than never, :p)

    * PpgN = PO% x Ppg

    Pts# Club PO/SSn PO% GP W L T SOW GS-GA GD Pts Ppg PpgN PpgN#*
    11 HOU 04/04 100.00% 13 06 04 3 0 17-13 +04 21 1.615 1.615 01
    03 CHI- 11/12 91.67% 42 21 15 6 2 60-39 +21 65 1.548 1.419 02
    01 LAG- 11/14 78.57% 49 28 16 5 1 82-56 +26 88 1.796 1.411 03
    02 DCU- 09/14 64.29% 36 23 09 4 3 59-43 +16 67 1.861 1.196 04
    04 NER- 10/14 71.43% 34 13 13 8 0 34-39 -05 47 1.382 0.987 05
    05 CLB- 09/14 64.29% 32 14 14 4 1 47-50 -03 44 1.375 0.884 06
    07 SJE- 06/12 50.00% 19 10 08 1 0 32-26 +06 31 1.632 0.816 07
    06 KCW- 09/14 64.29% 32 12 15 5 1 43-44 -01 39 1.219 0.784 08
    09 NYR- 10/14 71.43% 27 08 14 5 1 32-42 -10 27 1.000 0.714 09
    12 RSL- 02/05 40.00% 07 03 01 3 0 08-06 +02 12 1.714 0.686 10

    13 MIA- 03/04 75.00% 10 03 07 0 0 06-13 -07 09 0.900 0.675 11
    08 COL- 09/14 64.29% 27 08 15 4 0 27-42 -15 28 1.037 0.667 12
    10 DAL- 10/14 71.43% 29 09 17 3 2 38-56 -18 26 0.897 0.640 13
    14 CHV- 04/05 80.00% 08 01 04 3 0 06-10 -04 06 0.750 0.600 14
    16 SEA 01/01 100.00% 02 00 01 1 0 00-01 -01 01 0.500 0.500 15
    15 TPB- 04/06 66.67% 11 02 09 0 0 12-23 -11 06 0.545 0.364 16
    17 TOR- 00/03 00.00% 00 00 00 0 0 00-00 +00 00 0.000 0.000 17

    Highlights:

    0. Updated similarly on Wiki: MLS: All-Time Playoff Records.

    1. Both L.A. & RSL dropped one places after the 1-1 tie in the final.

    2. Congrats to RSL on winning their 1st title, despite having a lower "PpgN" (Points-per-game Normalized = PO% x Ppg) than NER/NYRB, :cool:
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    I really like the work you've put into this! Good job.

    I think you might be making a false distinction with PK wins counting as ties... Italy didn't tie France in the 2006 World Cup final - they won on PKs. The first 90 min ended i a draw but the game was played for 120 minutes PLUS PK's and they WON that game.

    On the other hand, if you're only going to count a "regular game" then overtime wins have to count as less as well since a normal game ends at 90 min.

    However, for playoffs, DRAWS don't exist in the single elimination games. The games end with a distinct winner. Neither Italy nor France believe their 2006 World Cup final ended in a DRAW.

    How would your system score a Home & Away series where one team wins the first game, loses the second (first 90 min)... but the series goes to overtime in the 2nd game (sum score from both games) and they win in overtime. Game 2 wasn't a win, since they lost it YET they won the series/game?

    I think for consistency's sake there is a distinction between a Home & Away versus a Single Elimination.
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    It doesn't matter what they believe. I think he's actually doing it according to FIFA policy - a penalty kick win or loss is considered a draw when calculating w-d-l ratings, points, and percentages. At least that's what my memory tells me.
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    Really?

    In league play you have draws, points, and standings. In elimination rounds of cups you don't have points or standings, every game ends with a winner or loser.
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    Thanks for the comments, this was why I have also worked out the "All-Time MLS Playoff Series Won/%" Table on Wiki, where teams either won or lost a playoff series, :p.

    In page 146 of the 2009 Official Playoff Guide, MLSNet did include the "ALL-TIME MLS POSTSEASON STANDINGS", which was very similar to what I've worked out (containing tied games), though it didn't specify the number of SO wins for '96-99.

    The same table also appaered in page 128 of the 2007 Official PO Guide, :cool:.
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    Time for an update, through 2011 Playoffs, as extracted from:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_..._and_statistics#All-Time_Playoffs_Records_.2A

    Rank by Pts Club Appearances
    vs Seasons
    Appearances
    Percetages
    GP W L T SOW GF GA GD Pts PPG Rank by PPG
    1 Los Angeles Galaxy 13 / 16 81.25% 56 34 16 6 1 94 63 +31 106 1.893 1
    2 D.C. United 9 / 16 56.25% 36 23 9 4 3 59 43 +16 67 1.861 2
    3 Chicago Fire 11 / 14 78.57% 42 21 15 6 2 60 39 +21 65 1.548 4
    4 Columbus Crew 11 / 16 68.75% 35 15 16 4 1 49 53 -4 47 1.343 7
    5 New England Revolution 10 / 16 62.50% 34 13 13 8 0 34 39 -5 47 1.382 6
    6 Sporting Kansas City 10 / 16 62.50% 35 14 16 5 1 48 48 0 45 1.286 9
    7 Colorado Rapids 11 / 16 68.75% 34 12 18 4 0 33 49 -16 40 1.176 10
    8 San Jose Earthquakes 7 / 14 50.00% 22 11 10 1 0 35 29 +6 34 1.545 5
    9 New York Red Bulls 12 / 16 75.00% 32 10 17 5 1 37 48 -11 33 1.031 11
    10 FC Dallas 12 / 16 75.00% 34 11 19 4 2 45 62 -14 33 0.971 12
    11 Houston Dynamo 5 / 6 83.33% 17 9 5 3 0 22 15 +7 30 1.765 3
    12 Real Salt Lake 4 / 7 57.14% 12 4 4 4 0 14 14 0 16 1.333 8
    13 Miami Fusion 3 / 4 75.00% 10 3 7 0 0 6 13 -7 9 0.900 13
    14 Chivas USA 4 / 7 57.14% 8 1 4 3 0 6 10 -4 6 0.750 14
    15 Tampa Bay Mutiny 4 / 6 66.67% 11 2 9 0 0 12 23 -11 6 0.545 16
    16 Seattle Sounders FC 3 / 3 100.00% 6 1 4 1 0 3 7 -4 4 0.667 15
    17 Philadelphia Union 1 / 2 50.00% 2 0 2 0 0 1 3 -2 0 0.000 17
    18 Montreal Impact 0 / 0 00.00% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 18
    19= Portland Timbers 0 / 1 00.00% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 19=
    19= Vancouver Whitecaps FC 0 / 1 00.00% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 19=
    21 Toronto FC 0 / 5 00.00% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 21
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