MLS Attendance Analysis: Week 32

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  1. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who do you think you are, Julius Caesar? :D
     
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  2. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't it funny how the worst month would have been considered a fabulous one 11 years ago?

    Just for comparison's sake, the actual months-by-months for 2001:

    April - 14,947
    May - 13,172
    June - 14,493
    July - 17,422
    August - 13,541
    September - 19,117

    It USED to be that, if you took out the Independence Day games, MLS attendance made a near perfect bowl shape when graphed by month. Started well, then declined, hit the nadir in July (without the boost from 7/4 in Colorado and LA and such), then grew towards the end.

    Now it's pretty steady.
     
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  3. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You match? I'm 610 off on Houston and 680 off on Seattle and both match what they have on the match reports. Darn MLS and their dual data sources.
     
  4. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    i have no idea where MLS or anybody else is getting their number for Seattle ... if you go by each game recap/stats page on mlssoccer.com then Seattle should be:

    732,761 total, 43,104 average

    3/17 (vs TFC) - 38,709
    3/23 (vs HOU) - 38,304
    3/31 (vs SJE) - 38,301
    4/14 (vs COL) - 38,360
    5/2 (vs LAG) - 39,002
    5/5 (vs PHI) - 38,399
    5/12 (vs RSL) - 39,312
    5/23 (vs CLB) - 38,311
    6/20 (vs SKC) - 46,932
    7/7 (vs COL) - 39,060
    8/5 (vs LAG) - 60,908
    8/18 (vs VWFC) - 55,718
    9/8 (vs CHV) - 38,934
    9/22 (vs SJE) - 38,948
    10/7 (vs PTFC) - 66,452
    10/17 (vs RSL) - 38,356
    10/21 (vs FCD) - 38,755

    and interestingly with Seattle's official capacity for CenturyLink this season being 38,500 (except for 3 games) it seems that Seattle missed 5 sellouts.

    they also have Houston wrong according to their game recaps/stats, it should be:

    356,641 total, 20,979 average

    5/12 (vs DCU) - 22,039
    5/15 (vs PTFC) - 22,039
    5/26 (vs LAG) - 22,039
    6/16 (vs FCD) - 22,039
    6/20 (vs TFC) - 21,423
    6/30 (vs PHI) - 19,806
    7/3 (vs CHI) - 22,039
    7/15 (vs DCU) - 18,871
    7/18 (vs SKC) - 19,761
    7/21 (vs MTL) - 20,396
    8/3 (vs RBNY) - 22,039
    8/19 (vs CLB) - 20,567
    8/25 (vs TFC) - 19,320
    9/6 (vs RSL) - 18,452
    9/29 (vs NER) - 22,039
    10/6 (vs MTL) - 21,733
    10/20 (vs PHI) - 22,039
     
  5. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Houston:

    5/12/2012 DC United 22039
    5/15/2012 Portland 22039
    5/26/2012 Los Angeles 22039
    6/16/2012 Dallas 22039
    6/20/2012 Toronto 21423
    6/30/2012 Philadelphia 19806
    7/3/2012 Chicago 22039
    7/15/2012 DC United 18871
    7/18/2012 Kansas City 19761
    7/21/2012 Montreal 20396
    8/3/2012 New York 22039
    8/19/2012 Columbus 20567
    8/25/2012 Toronto 19320
    9/6/2012 Salt Lake 18452
    9/29/2012 New England 22039
    10/6/2012 Montreal 21733
    10/20/2012 Philadelphia 22039
     
  6. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I match now. I was off on Seattle a while back, but found the errors. And just found the Houston errors. I think it was 8/25 Toronto and 10/6 Montreal I had wrong.
     
  7. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was.
     
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  8. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hmm. If the numbers you posted in the post prior to this one are your numbers, you can't match. They come to 356,641, while MLS has 357,251.
     
  9. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Pretty sure JC (well, that one) would focus on fixing March for nothing other than personal reasons! ;)

    All that aside, April being the lowest attended month is pretty understandable. In certain markets the weather can be iffy....not as iffy as March but March has the benefit of season openers and the release of that winter of pent up demand shaking off.
     
  10. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They were my numbers. Before I corrected them.

    My numbers now match MLS' numbers.
     
  11. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They have 357,251 for Houston. I have 357,251 for Houston.

    05/12/2012..DC United............22,039
    05/15/2012..Portland Timbers.....22,039
    05/26/2012..Los Angeles Galaxy...22,039
    06/16/2012..FC Dallas............22,039
    06/20/2012..Toronto FC...........21,423
    06/30/2012..Philadelphia Union...19,806
    07/03/2012..Chicago Fire.........22,039
    07/15/2012..DC United............18,871
    07/18/2012..Sporting KC..........19,761
    07/21/2012..Montreal Impact......20,396
    08/03/2012..New York Red Bulls...22,039
    08/19/2012..Columbus Crew........20,567
    08/25/2012..Toronto FC...........19,930
    09/06/2012..Real Salt Lake.......18,452
    09/29/2012..New England Revs.....22,039
    10/06/2012..Montreal Impact......21,733
    10/20/2012..Philadelphia Union...22,039
    ................................357,251
     
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  12. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was the 8/25 Toronto that was off. I originally had 19,930 but it was apparently 19,320.
     
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  13. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    in all seriousness thanks a lot for posting these numbers. awesome stuff.
     
  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ahh, there we go. Thanks. Houston has a different number on their match report compared to what MLS has on the stats page for the game. Going with Houston's number gets the correct sum.

    For those of you that have a different number than what MLS has for the Sounders, the difference is that the team has the March 17 game vs Toronto as 39232 and the March 31 game vs San Jose as 38458. Once that is updated, the numbers match what MLS has.
     
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  16. bgix

    bgix Bad Penny

    Jun 29, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's interesting what the biggest gaining years are:

    2001 - Shortened season???
    2002 -- The Elimination of poor performing clubs???
    2004 - Start of re-expansion
    2007 - Beckham
    2011 - Portland/Vancouver
    2012 - Impact/East-West Schedule imbalance (did "rivalries" emphasis work?)

    Seattle addition went down, but was accompanied by the recession.
     
  17. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone know what the attendance cap will be on Thursday at the HDC?
     
  18. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Will attendances stay good for the playoffs? How will the DC - NY game even happen now after Sandy...
     
  19. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Historically speaking, should be 17k, but last year they added shuttle service and were able to raise it to 20k for the New York playoff game.
     
  20. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    okay. so somebody help me out here. i listed every SSFC and HOU attendance with a link to the stats/recap page on mlssoccer.com (hit the blue number).

    are we going for Houston the way the MLS Summary stats seem to have it 357,251? or are we going with the "correct" sum of all of the game recap/stats pages from mlssoccer.com (356,641)? As others have said the game recap/stats page says the 8/25 HOU v TFC game was 19,320. Is there a documented source for the other number of 19,930 for that game? If so I think we need to decided collectively which (if both have contradictory MLS documenations) we are to go with.


    And so I have the same question about the two disputed SSFC games. You can see below by following the links that the mlssoccer.com recap/stats pages show the following:

    3/17 (vs TFC) - 38,709
    3/31 (vs SJE) - 38,301

    Is there any documentation from a team or league source that shows those games as 39,232 and 38,458? If it turns out there are two conflicting official documented attendances which are we going to go with?

    And is there any hope or avenue to get MLS to correct/fix these discrepancies? Anybody want to take that on? Anybody have connections to take that on?
     
  21. Allez RSL

    Allez RSL Member+

    Jun 20, 2007
    Home
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  22. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
  23. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought historically the HDC is capped at 7.5k on week nights during the college school year? I do know they were able to work out a deal last year for the NY game.
     
  24. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    7.5k Wednesdays and they've been doing 10-17k on Thursdays.
     
  25. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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