MLS asking FSC for $20M a year

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  1. JacksonJazz#9

    JacksonJazz#9 Member

    Dec 12, 2000
    Grand Ledge, Mich
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    WOW!!!! 20m a year? or is it 20m for the length of the contract? in either case thats a HUGE increase... i wonder if MLS has someone else who will pay that if FSC doesn't?
     
  2. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    It's definitely per year in the story. 7 times what they get now. And yeah, it kinda makes you wonder if they've got something in the back pocket.
     
  3. FC Matt 90

    FC Matt 90 New Member

    Aug 1, 2006
    Philadelphia
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. Mutiny RIP

    Mutiny RIP Member

    Apr 15, 2006
    Bradenton, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, I might as well say it. Could the other party that is willing to pay 20 mil be Versus?
     
  5. eclipse02

    eclipse02 Member

    Sep 20, 2009
    I'm intrigued, I just hope no matter what Versus gets MLS. I get Versus free on my current viewing.
     
  6. Smithsoccer1721

    Smithsoccer1721 Member+

    Feb 16, 2007
    Middle of the Table
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All I can say is if FSC dishes that money out then maybe they will promote MLS games better. If they take this financial risk then they have to be more focused on getting ratings up and increasing sponsorship to make up that 20 mill. Let's hope this happens.
     
  7. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Damn that's awesome, and I HOPE it means they've got VS on the pocket.
     
  8. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I signed up for a trial subscription and am waiting for approval to read the online version. I might have used up all my e-mail accounts for this purpose so we'll see what happens.
     
  9. beryl420

    beryl420 Member

    Apr 25, 2002
    Hartford
    The same article also reports that MLS and Versus haven't spoken since September.
     
  10. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay, so that's what, 36 RS games + 5 playoff games for 20 mil?

    Just a shade under a half million in sponsorship revenue to raise per game + production costs to break even.

    Not too difficult, me thinks.
     
  11. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    can the source (or "several sources" as the case may be) on this article be believed? (not that I know who those sources are, or even if they're revealed later in the article, as I don't have the full version of the linked article available at this time.)

    "public negotiations" (or details there of) often have very little in common with the actual business being conducted between the parties.

    I'd be very skeptical of any number that's thrown about before an actual new deal is signed (if a new deal is actually going to be signed between FSC and MLS/SUM, and I can't see why a new agreement wouldn't be signed, unless of course the 2 sides were so far apart from any possible deal).

    note, if this new figure ($20mil/year just from Fox) does wind up being accurate or even within a reasonable range of what FSC may be paying to be a partner with MLS/SUM going forward, then I'm certainly glad to see that the business of Major League Soccer is moving to seek/demand more revenue in the broadcast areas (as opposed to perhaps significantly or drastically jacking up ticket prices, at this point.)

    I really enjoy the sub-header of the article: "League looks to set market for bigger packages"
     
  12. equus

    equus Member

    Jan 6, 2007
    If FSC ends up paying that, to make production costs even lower it will mean the games will be shot via grainy black and white security cameras, the play-by-play and color will be done like EPL Fanzone, with pre-game done by Christian Miles' 12-year-old nephew and a cardboard cutout of Christopher Sullivan.
     
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  13. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    or, it doesn't actually mean any of that.

    there's a fair argument out there that the production quality would/could improve from FSC (and/or Versus or whomever), given that more financial investment in the rights to the content would mean more of an overall effort to improve the presentation of that product in hopes by tv partner to attract more viewers (and thereby create a better and more-sustainable business).

    (note, MLS content might not now, or ever, be ready to be a "big time" tv/media property. but again, it's good to see that the league is reportedly trying to push their business in that direction -- as tv rights and money need to be a basis for the growth of the business of MLS in the future, imo.)
     
  14. Fiosfan

    Fiosfan Red Card

    Mar 21, 2010
    Nevada
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    20 Million got to be a typo or MLS is getting Bold.. How much money a year ESPN pays?...
     
  15. Mutiny RIP

    Mutiny RIP Member

    Apr 15, 2006
    Bradenton, FL
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh ok, thanks. I was not able to view more than a the first couple sentences of this article. I'm disappointed that negotiations with versus appear to have fallen through.
     
  16. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    this new deal with FSC very likely could also include internet content rights for their FSC/FSE games (and additional league games) on a platform like foxsoccer.tv.

    from the league's perspective, it probably makes more sense to have their media partners pay for multi-platform rights than for MLS itself to try to control/present all of those rights (via things like MLSLive.tv).
     
  17. vmax71

    vmax71 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 11, 2002
    high desert
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    18 teams in the league with a salary cap (excluding DPs) of $2.5 mil a year = $27 million.

    A big chunk of that would be taken out in on big swoop.
     
  18. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    for the business of the league, they can not actually "exclude" DP salaries from their overall annual operating budgets/plans for MLS.

    but your broad point is a good one, that "more tv money" will certainly help the business of the league, and could eventually lead to more higher-earning (and supposedly/hopefully better) players in the league.
     
  19. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Depends on where you draw the line between the league and the individual teams right?
     
  20. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Sure. But I don't draw the line. (and I'm not even sure if that line is actually drawn. I know the operational and business structure of the league would be one where they, for legal and player-contracting reasons, want to say the teams are in fact the league collectively as a single-entity, and that there isn't a line between the two.)

    Whatever TV money MLS/SUM earns, I would suspect a good portion of it goes (or could go) back into (the league-controlled portion of) MLS player salaries.

    Now, do owners/teams "get a bigger piece" of the SUM revenue pie if they bring in DPs who do in fact help draw more viewers to MLS on TV, and/or more specifically (or potentially) help the league be able to sign bigger media deals with their broadcast partners?

    maybe not, as apparently DPs can be or are paid for with local/team-controlled revenue (shirt sponsors, other sponsorships and more/better friendlies), and are not really a part of the overall league salary budget considerations. so, in the future it would seem that more "national tv" money would/could be pushed to raising the league-controlled per-team salary budget, without considering or affecting the local/team items that are DPs.
     
  21. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    I think this is the first shot of the PR campaign - "we couldn't come to terms".
     
  22. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    which side fired that shot? (or which side(s) would be ok with the business reality of the two sides not coming to terms for 2011.)

    or, this could be a joint first shot before some agreement is reached (potentially in the range between those $3million and $20million per year figures).

    such an agreement would/could make both sides look like winners, even if the deal winds up being the $6-10million range:
    MLS/SUM: we got significant growth over the last 4-year cycle when we earned only $3million per year from Fox.
    FSC: we got a deal and didn't have to pay that $20million they were asking


    or as you suggest, this is such an outrageous (for MLS) figure ($20million) that it may be the start of a "we couldn't come to terms" PR campaign.
     
  23. tomreel555

    tomreel555 New Member

    Aug 23, 2010
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    If it happens they need to raise the salary cap by 500k or 1 million then. This would be a straight off net gain for the league of 20 million. You would expect at least 50-60% of revenues to be put into salaries.

    I don't see how FSC doesn't bargain that down though. As an earlier poster said 40-ish games + production costs requires them to earn over half a mil each game. If a game only has 4-5 commercial slots then each commercial segment would have to be bringing in revenue of 100k. Not likely. Unless Garber is selling the value of the package as a brand and image one for FSC in which case the reasons for paying 20 million would be intangible brand value that they have all things soccer.
     
  24. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    1) They don't have to do anything with the salary cap. They could just as well just give teams extra allocation money which can be used to either raise a team's individual cap number or buy players. Allocation money is much more flexible, lasts longer, and can be moved around like cash (which you can't do with just cap space). People need to stop fixating on the cap so much when there are so many other things in the league that make the cap less relevant than they think.

    2) It isn't a net gain of 20 million. FSC already pays MLS to show the games, so the net gain would be 20 million minus whatever FSC pays now.
     

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