Did anybody watch this? I usually don't say much about the FIFA guys (they're a 1, and I am NOT) but this guy SUCKED! What does it take to get a call in CONCACAF? Mind you, the bicycle kick for Mexico in extra time was a thing of beauty, but that would not have even happened if the guy in the middle had had some stones.
I just got done screaming at the TV over that last "offside" call, and I'm not even Mexican. I should move to Suriname so i can get fast-tracked to international tournaments. It was still a great game, though, especially compared to that snoozer of a third place match. P.S. it's U-20
The PK the US got was a very weak call. So maybe we shouldn't complain too much. He didn't handle the misconduct very well though.
I'll give him props for the advantage/PK/send-off though. I had to go back on my DVR because i had lost track of the player who needed to see red.
Disagree totally. He had no idea who had committed the foul and, it seemed, he had no intention of doing anything about the foul until Mexican players came rushing in to complain once he had awarded the penalty. Plus, he then ignored one of the most blatant DOGSOs I've ever seen. So he ends up sending off a guy for VC on an incident where he really didn't react (even though he saw it) and then doesn't send off the player for DOGSO, which couldn't have been clearer. It was a complete and total mess and I've never seen an international referee look so lost in such a major incident. Plus the denial of Mexico's fourth goal was one of the worst offside decisions I've ever seen to negate a goal at the international level. And the U.S.'s PK was quite soft, though we probably should have got one a little after that. It was just a weak performance, which is pretty standard for Wijngaarde. I believe a search of his name in our forum will turn up some other matches where he didn't cover himself in glory. It's too bad, too, because this tournament had some bright spots in CONCACAF refereeing (Cruz Alvarado and Reyna).
Wait Massref...you're saying that the US benefited from bad refereeing?! But their heads might explode!!
There was a situation in the second half where one of our guys, #17, could have got sent off, too. It was at midfield, opposite from the benches. Ball was going out of play and he just kicked the Mexican player's ankles. A stronger/more confident CONCACAF ref, particularly one of the Mexican ones, is going red there. And it's a red at a World Cup. He was bad both ways. No clue if we "benefited" overall or not (though we likely did in the sense that Mexico was denied a 4th goal and our goal was from a soft penalty). I hope we don't see him at the senior level for one of our qualifiers, but it seems likely it will happen.
I hate to say this...but could it be a case of a Referee thinking that U-20s is below him and he would get out of the game easy? I've been guilty of that after doing months of college and then doing a JV high school game where I completely messed it up.
According to the Spanish announcers, he did a no call on two clear penalties by Mexico. They didn't think too much of him either. I dunno, we've all most likely had on of those games where you give an early soft penalty and spend the rest of the game trying to make up for it. Still, at that level....
No, I think that comparison is way off. He referees on a weekly basis in Suriname. He's not going to a World Cup. This is a continental final between Mexico and the United States. It will probably end up being the biggest match and the greatest refereeing honor of his life.
What's not on the CONCACAF highlights is the US keeper kicking the 2nd Mexico goal scorer after the goal. That should have been a send off, and the only thing I can think of is that the whole crew just missed it.
Something similar happened a few years ago in a full USA vs Mexico international. If I remember correctly, the mexican keeper (Ochoa is the name that comes to mind, but that could be wrong) tried to slide tackle our goal scorer as he peeled off to celebrate. Nothing happened then, and I don't think anything happened retroactively, either.
I don't think that was the scorer, I think it was another player. In any case though I remember the player not reacting to it at all, I don't remember him being hit either. I was mad at the time, but if I was reffing that game and I saw a player do that and his opponent not react, I wouldn't feel the need to do anything.
I was completely wrong. Yes it wasn't Donovan but the keeper definitely hit him. If it's not the right time start the video at 7:58, great play by the referee. According to the video info the keeper Oswaldo Sanchez goes after Eddie Johnson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OBlSsnvbGbk#t=476s
I can see how the goalkeeper would feel insulted by players running in front of the goal mouth like that.Still....
I wrote in the other thread that I could go either way on the first PK. I think the US earned two more, however, that were at least as obvious as the one Mexico got in ET. Other than that, I think he was pretty bad going both ways and he didn't, to me, look like an elite level referee in any way.
I watched the OT before reading this thread. I watched the 2nd Mexican goal about 5 times and Never saw the trip. And, if he blows for the red there is no 3rd Mexican goal. If that was a U19 match in my neck of the woods, we would have ended by calling for backup!!!
This game goes against the belief that the USA always gets the short end of the stick when it comes to refereeing decisions. Yes, the referee was inconsistent, let too much dissent go and missed misconduct and fouls, but we benefited more than Mexico. I agree the last offside call was poor. It should have been a Mexican goal. Overall it was a fair result.
