yeah its official he will fly to england on monday he will go on loan for 200 thousand euros and an option to buy for 4.5 million euros
I have a lot of respect for Torrado, and think he'd do well with Everton. He's a lot better than Li Tie, and should be able to beat out Gravesen for playing time.
He's a lot better than Li Tie but will he sell as many shirts? should be able to beat out Gravesen for playing time. We need a good DMid, with some pace. Tie has pace, sucks everywhere else, Gravesen is slow as a train going uphill, but I like his distribution, and ball winning. That said, Moyes shouldn't have much difficulty making this choice
Torrado When does it become Official? I was hoping that he would go to Chelsea......but I don't think that he had a place on that team.
Hola!! Hola, que tal? Hey, what's up? New member here. 2nd post. I already made myself welcome at the Everton board, so I figured I'd post in my "home" forum. Torrado is a monster. He will not disappoint. Go Pumas?
torrado damn i never seen torado play when he played in the world cup,but in club wise never i and never much attention to him when he was in pachuca kinda like marquez.well i hope i get to see some of everton games on fox sports world... aguante torrado,,
Gerardo Torrado al Everton de Inglaterra Originally posted by Nutmeg As a US fan, this is particularly interesting because not that long ago, Sevilla started putting out the word that they were after Richard Mulrooney of San Jose, which at the time made no sense since Torrado had performed very well in Spain. I guess it makes more sense now. Sevilla recently signed a Brazilian DMid, i dont remeber his name right now but he played with Brazils U-23 in the Gold Cup. I really doubt Sevilla will go after Mulrooney since they seem to be complete in that spot, also does Mulrooney have EU status !?!? Torrado recently received his Spanish citizenship so he wont count as a foreigner..
What is the strategy If I were a Liverpool fan and wanted to throw Torrado off his game because in the last game at Goodison Park he lit us up like a motherferr, what would be the strategy? Would it go something along the lines of what goes on on Big Socker?
Re: Gerardo Torrado al Everton de Inglaterra Sevilla recently signed a Brazilian DMid, i dont remeber his name right now but he played with Brazils U-23 in the Gold Cup. I really doubt Sevilla will go after Mulrooney since they seem to be complete in that spot, also does Mulrooney have EU status !?!? Torrado recently received his Spanish citizenship so he wont count as a foreigner.. [/QUOTE] Baptista........he's been scoring goals against 3rd and 4th division teams this preseason. Sevilla has missed out........................but I'm not going to get too excited until I see this in the Spanish or English papers.
Re: Re: Gerardo Torrado al Everton de Inglaterra I quoted myself. Spanish Daily "Marca" is getting on the ball now. http://www.marca.com/edicion/noticia/0,2458,383713,00.html
Mulrooney resigned with MLS so I doubt we will be seeing him in Sevilla anytime soon. I am happy for Torrado. He is a good player and one of the few Mexican players I have any respect for. Perhaps he can pave the way for more Mexican players to succeed abroad. Hard to believe that Arellano has not done it yet considering a crap player like Palencia plays in Spain.
The correct verb usage is the past tense of play.."played"....Palencia played in Spain. He had a good season with Espanyol IMHO and should have been resigned. Instead they kept Maxi Rodriguez who didn't do shyt over there. What do you have against Palencia anyways? As far as I'm concerned, Hugo Sanchez already paved the way for the Mexican player to go over to Europe. Luis Garcia had some decent seasons over there as well, but not nearly as great as Hugo. The problem with the Mexican player going abroad is that they aren't cheap. Mexican clubs do not sell themselves short like Argentinian, Brazilian, and Uruguayan clubs tend to do. The MFL makes money, the Clubs make money, so naturally, why sell their investment (star players) short of market value? Because of this, players like Arellano, Borgetti, and Ramoncito Morales haven't been able to get to Europe.
Sure Hugo Sanchez might have paved the way, but not many followed. Mexican players might be expensive compared to MLS players, but most talented players coming out of Brazil and Argentina are not cheap. Otherwise players like Robinho, Diego, Kaka, D'Alessandro, Romagnoli, Tevez, etc. would already be over there. There is a conception about Mexican players over here in Europe as well that they do not play well away from home.
??? Not many followed for the main reason above....Money talks bullshyt walks.... if the Mexican player is more expensive why go for that player when you can buy him much cheaper in Uruguay? Also, I did not even ONCE compare the price of the MFL player to the MLS player. Why are you bringing it up now? Not up in futbol current events are you? Kaka was just signed by AC Milan. D'Alessandro is playing for Wolfsburg. Diego is rumored to be going to Tottenham Hotspur, but nothing is concrete.
Re: ??? I know that Kaka is going to Milan for a huge fee. Diego seems to be on his way to Tottenham on a co-ownership deal. I am a bit suprised he is not going to a bigger club to be honest. The D'Alessandro news I missed somehow. Is it a loan deal? There is no way a club like Wolfsburg would be able to afford a player of his talent. I am not saying you were comparing the prices of MLS and MFL. However, the prices of players in MLS and MFL are much more comparable to each other then to the prices European clubs pay for big time South American talent.
Re: Re: ??? The top wages for MLS talent are at or about $300,000 - $400,000. Whereas, Most MFL top talent (both domestic and foreign) earns anywhere from $1 million to $3 mill on AVERAGE. Ex. Oswaldo Sanchez, Ramon Ramirez, Cuauhtemoc Blanco, Sebastian Abreu, Marcelo Delgado, Jose Saturnino Cardozo Sure, These aren't Zidane, Figo or Beckham wages. But, How many of the top paid players in UEFA are of South American descent? And when a South American comes along, they ship out rather quick to rather low transfer fees. It's only the "phenoms" who get the big budget deals. Only a small percent. Nat'l. Mex team players are usually established at home and do the whole club/country bit quite often. Can't say the same about many of the exported SA players from Peru, Uru, Para, etc. Truth is, Only about 4-6 Argies and Brasileiros are exported each transfer window. Plus, You also have take into account the economic crisis and/or political situations in SA. A person like say Milito would leave Arg in a second because his domestic wages are low. Whereas, A person like say Luis Ernesto Perez would not leave Mexico so quickly considering the huge contract coming his way and the comfortable living situation... at HOME, nonetheless. You ever notice the steady influx of future top SA players to Mexico? It's far off from declaring, But my estimate is that the MFL is on the verge of becoming a real powerful, exciting league capable of dethroning Argentina and Brasil as top league of Las Americas.. Maybe not in the next 5 years, But it's progress is considerable. Ex. Cesar Delgado, formerly of Rosario Central, now with Cruz Azul, should be on the Arg Nat'l. team for 2006. Financially, Mexico is already there. And as a parting note, I'll tell you why Arellano is not in Europe. He stated that he would not go to Europe for free and sell himself short. He believes the notion that Mexican players are worth more than what Europe offers them. He claims it's degrading for a top notch Tri player to play on loan, or for very small wages, just to say he plays in Europe. Same applies to Braulio Luna.
Re: Re: Re: ??? My God! We are in the presence of royalty. Hugo Sanchez himself has responded to my post. I must not be making myself clear. I was not referring to wages, more to transfer fees. Most players in the MFL would not net their Mexican team a transfer fee much larger than what MLS sold Tim Howard for. I believe it was around 3 million.
Re: Re: Re: ??? You ever notice the steady influx of future top SA players to Mexico? It's far off from declaring, But my estimate is that the MFL is on the verge of becoming a real powerful, exciting league capable of dethroning Argentina and Brasil as top league of Las Americas.. Maybe not in the next 5 years, But it's progress is considerable. I seriously doubt the MFL will dethrone the Argentinian and Brazilian leagues any time soon. Not because of the Money, ya the MFL is probably the richest league of the Americas. But money alone is not enough, they just dont have the talent Argentinian and Brazilian leagues have. And better yet, the Mfl doesnt have the same capability of producing talent as Argentina and Brazil. Also most of the SA players going to Mexico are second rate players that couildn't make it to Europe.
Re: Re: Re: Re: ??? Most? Perhaps. But then again, It is MANCHESTER UNITED we're talking about. Also, The transfer fees for MLS players are higher because in the end, the wages (for MLS players in Europe) are still rather low, compared to MFL wages. No top talent from MFL is ever exported because of the money issue (both transfer and wages). Last year Carlos Ochoa and Manuel Vidrio both joined Osasuna for free practically. Why? Well, They're not that good plus they had El Vasco in charge. 1 word: Compadres. But just as Cabrito claimed, Do you think top notch players would go for peanuts? No. Blanco and Palencia both went at fairly decent loan fees, but still kind of pathetic. Just another example of the Mexican trying to prove his worth, all the while blindly degrading himself by playing for practically nothing. After France 98, Arsenal offered $4 mill for Luis Hernandez and both he and Necaxa declined. Why? They felt they could get more. In the end, He signed with Boca Jrs for much less. It's hard for Mexican players to be exported, that much is certain.
Juventino 3 Hey quick questions? Do you know how much Marquez was sold from Atlas to Monaco? Do you know for how much Monaco sold him to Barcelona? Do you know Torrado's fee if he's sold to Everton? Just wondering............
First: Torrado's transfer to Everton has not yet been approved. Sevilla is asking for more Euros on the loan... Stay tuned folks. Second: I agree that Mexican stars are worth more than what Euro teams usually offer... but that is the way the world is today. When Hugo Sanchez went to Atletico de Madrid he went on a loan... He stuck it out because he WANTED to play in Europe and become a world known player. Guess what, he succeeded. I have not yet seen a Mexican player with that desire. All the others at the end of the day are content with the comfort level that the MFL provides. The only other player that I see with the same fire as Hugo is Torrado.... The thing is that he doesn't have the same ability as "el nino de oro", alas!
Re: Juventino 3 Marquez was sold for a higher fee, but then again he has been plying his trade with Monaco for a while. How much did Monaco pay for him when they purchased him from the MFL? Torrado has been a known commodity in Europe for a while as well. He had a very strong World Cup. I'll bet that Everton will get him for around 2.5 million. Players like Marquez and Arellano can net high transfer fees because they have world class potential. Medina would fall into this catagory as well. Torrado does not. He is a very good defensive midfielder, but no one will ever confuse him with Davids or Viera.