Ban the players, put them in jail. Punishing the clubs does nothing. It makes the clubs look corrupt when in fact, it was individual players. You also end up punishing players that had nothing to do with the illegal actions. Atalanta had 6 points deducted for the action of one player. He did not play and the club had a good season. Without the penalty, maybe they are fighting for a spot in Europe.
Do you think these players really care about their clubs? This is an act of selfishness. They could care less of the consequences to their club. Otherwise, they would not act as they did.
Come on, man. Don't be naive. You mean to tell me that these clubs don't know what their players are getting into? You mean to tell me that no one at Atalanta knew what Doni was doing, or the executives at Bari had no idea about what was happening? It's lies and bullshit. Everybody makes a score. The ultimate goal is to make as much money as possible while not getting caught. The executives know what's going on. The players know what's going on. If ordinary people can watch games and see that something's not right with what they're watching, then the people who run the damn game and the people who have been playing the game for decades are turning a blind eye, or are simply saying, "I don't want to know what you're doing. Just don't get me involved." In all sports, there's a locker room code. What happens in there, what's really discussed in there, stays in there. Look at Major League Baseball. A shit ton of people were on steroids, and if you weren't on it, then you knew a teammate who did it. These are your closest allies. You spend more time with them than you do your own family. You don't break the code. If anyone asks if you know anything about steroids, you tell them you know nothing and that you don't know of anyone taking them in your clubhouse. It's a code of secrecy, and it's no different than in any other locker room. You have people who are out there saying, "I was asked to fix a match, but I said no." So, you knew of someone who was going to fix a match, but you didn't bother to tell anyone? You didn't bother to call the cops? You didn't bother going to the owners? You knew something wrong was about to happen, but you just turned a blind eye? That's how sports are. You're either in on it, or you're too stupid to see it happening. One player cannot fix a match. It takes an entire team to do it. No one is in this alone, so if you're punishing one player, then you're not cleaning up the problem. You punish the clubs, and you punish them harshly, and they'll start to get the message.
If the club is in on it, yes punish the club. But prove it. If it is a player, a group of players, then punish them. If you have a problem with gangs in you neighborhood, do you punish the entire neighborhood? Punish those involved, not everyone. This does nothing to improve the game or its image. If Napoli, Lazio or Udinese did nothing wrong, then they should not be punished. Only those players involved.
So what you're saying is that if Napoli, Lazio, and Udinese players fixed games for bettors, then those clubs deserve to still play in Champions League and Europa League because the clubs didn't do anything wrong, only the players who are employed by the clubs? Might as well not do anything at all, and just keep going as is.
Yes. Suspend Cavani, Di Natale and (I can't even come up with a Lazio player's name). Ban them from the game if necessary. If the evidence shows that these were independent acts of players, then they should be punished. If it shows involvement of the clubs, then the clubs are punished as well. These players who take these bribes don't give a damn of their team or teammates. So why extend the punishment beyond the individuals involved? It will not deter their actions.
But how is that fair to the teams who had players who played by the rules and did things the right way? You have two teams, one who did things the right way the whole time, and you have one team who has been found to fix matches. You're going to reward the team who had players who broke the rules, and you're going to omit the team who did things the right way?
And that is where we have our difference in philosophy. Was it the team who fixed the results? Or was it a player or some? In some of these cases, was it the end result or the goals? Was the betting line on who won one lost or drew? Or was it 3-1 vs. 2-1? I say punish the individuals. If the other players on that team were playing by the rules but some stray cats were cheating, why punish all?
Calcioscommesse Update May 14, 2012 * Documents from investigation done by Prosecutor Office in Bari will arrive @ FIGC, Federal Prosecutor Palazzi office in Rome May 15-16, 2012. - The witnesses and charged will be notified and then FIGC will send the 2nd Referrals to the Disciplinary Commission. - 2nd Trial is likely to be in July and finish before August 2, 2012. (3rd qualifying round of EL) - Serie A clubs that could be part of 2nd referrals are: Chievo, Genoa, Lazio, Lecce, Napoli, Udinese and possibly Bologna and Cesena. - Anyone who is charged but cooperatives with The Federal Prosecutor Palazzi office will get reduced ban per 2007 law. - FIGC has re-confirmed Code of Sports Justice of FIGC for Strict liability will apply. - (meaning club/s will be held liable for their member/s and their player/s actions) - FICA Code: * Summary of main points of various Italian media reports. - 75 games in Serie A/B are under investigation by Prosecutor offices in Bari, Cremona and Naples. - # of Clubs u/investigations; Serie A = 11; Serie B = 17 -Serie A Clubs that risk point/s deduction are: Atalanta, Bologna, Cesena, Chievo, Genoa, Lazio, Napoli, Novara and Udinese. -Clubs where Executives, Director/s, Coaches are involved face relegation. Lecce and Siena risk point/s deduction to relegation. - It seems after all is said and done, Inter will make CL and Roma EL. Lazio, Napoli and Udinese risk point/s deduction = No Europe. * Documents from investigation done by Prosecutor Office in Cremona arrived @ FIGC, Federal prosecutor Palazzi office in Rome on Tuesday May 8, 2012. - The following was reported as breakdown of 1st referrals by FIGC: 22 clubs. 33 games; 29 from Serie B, 2 from Tim Cup, 2 from Leg Pro. 52 Active players and 2 former players. 4 Club Executives / Club employees. 3 Coaches/Technical Staff of which 2 are still active. - Serie A Clubs effected in the 1st referrals are: Atalanta, Novara and Siena. - On May 9, 2012, the witnesses and charged were notified and FIGC send the 1st referrals to the Disciplinary Commission. - 1st Trial is likely to be end of May, 2012 and finish before Euros. * Documents from investigation done by Prosecutor Office in Bari will arrive @ FIGC, Federal Prosecutor Palazzi office in Rome May 15-16, 2012. - The witnesses and charged will be notified and then FIGC will send the 2nd Referrals to the Disciplinary Commission. - 2nd Trial is likely to be in July and finish before August 2, 2012. (3rd qualifying round of EL) - Serie A clubs that could be part of 2nd referrals are: Chievo, Genoa, Lazio, Lecce, Napoli, Udinese and possibly Bologna and Cesena. * FIGC and CONI will likely apply points deduction to 2011/2012 season. - Likely bans for players and illegal bettors by FIGC will be: a) 1 year ban from all football activities for anyone who was asked to fix a game, refused but then failed to report it. b) 2 years ban for anyone who placed the bet but didn't play in the game. c) 5 year ban to player who agreed to fix the game and played in it. - Anyone who is charged but cooperatives with The Federal Prosecutor Palazzi office will get reduced ban per 2007 law. -Atalanta risk another -7 points Under investigation are the following games from 2010/2011 season. Atalanta - Piacenza Ascoli - Atalanta Padova - Atalanta * In August 2011 Atlanta were docked -6 points and Doni banned for 3.5 years from all football activities. - Bologna risk -2 points Under investigation is the following game from 2010/2011 season. Bologna - Bari Cesena risk -3 points Under investigation is Marco Rossi and the following game from 2010/2011 season. Cesena - Bari Chievo risk -3 to -6 points Under investigation are Pellissier, Luciano and the following games from 2010/2011 season. Brescia - Chievo Bari - Chievo Inter - Chievo - Genoa risk -2 points Under investigation are Milanetto, Dainelli and the following game from 2010/2011 season. Lazio - Genoa - Lazio risk -7 points and no Europe. Under investigation are Ledsema, Mauri and Brocchi and the following games from 2010/2011 season. Lazio - Genoa Lecce - Lazio - Napoli risk point/s and no Europe Under investigation are the following games from 2009/2010/2011 seasons. Sampdoria - Napoli on May 16, 2010 Napoli - Inter on May 15, 2011 Lecce - Napoli in 2011 * Gianello, the former G.K. of Napoli has stated to the prosecutor office he made attempt on behalf of the bettor/s to fix Sampdoria - Napoli game on May 16, 2010. In the dressing room he asked Paolo Cannavaro and Grava to fix the game, however both refused. * Also, Gianello has admitted to the prosecutor office that it is his voice on the wiretaps that has Ex-Chievo Player Cossato w/conversations with him and the bettors stating 9 to 11 players had agreed to fix the Napoli - Inter game; it was to end in a draw and ensure Inter finish #2, Napoli #3 and Napoli have straight passage to CL. * Mascara is under investigation for the Lecce - Napoli game. - Novara risk points Under investigation are the following games from 2010 Coppa Italia. Chiero - Novara Novara - Cyrene - Udinese risk points and no Europe Under investigation is the following game from 2009/2010 season. Udinese - Bari Chievo - Udinese More details have merged that players involved to fix this game were Parisi, Belmonte, Bonucci, Andrea Masiello and Salvatore Masiello. Also, Pepe was offered a Ferrari but refused, however once he did join Juve for 2010/2011 season he bought a Red Ferrari. * Bonucci denies he was involved or was asked. * Pepe risks 1 yr ban from the game. - Lecce risk -6 points to relegation Under investigation are Covia, Benassi, Rosati, Ferrario, and the Director of football and the following game from 2010/2011 season. Bari - Lecce - Siena risk points and to relegation Under investigation are the following games from 2010/2011 season and then assistant coach Stellini. Siena - Atalanta Ascoli - Siena Ascoli - Siena Siena - Piacenza Siena - Torino Siena - Varese Siena - Sassuolo Novara - Siena Siena - Modena - Siena player Carobbio (now on loan w/Spezia) has stated to the Prosecutor office in Cremona that Antonio Conte knew about fix of Novara 2-2 Siena game. (On April 21, 2012 AC denied he knew). Per Carobbio, bettors Gegic and Ilievski had proposed a draw or draw w/over and players from Siena and Novara agreed to a draw after meeting in Hotel where Siena team was staying in May, 2011. - Other games under investigation are AC Milan - Bari Bari - Chievo Bari - Roma Parma - Bari Napoli - Parma Parma - Napoli -Latest - 1st Mister X (Money Emissary) has been identified by Bari Prosecutor office as Carlo Quarta who delivered €230k @ Hotel Tiziano in Lecce. - 2nd Mr. X is likely overseas and non-Italian. - Also, Masiello 2 friends have now decided to offer full cooperation to Bari's Prosecutor office. - Chief Bari Prosecutor is working on his drossier and likely to work with Prosecutor's Office of Cremona. [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=afp-fbl_ita_betting_ matchfixing_20120409"] "Players phoned me and said: '20,000 (euros) on this result', I did it because I trusted them," he said. "That doesn't happen in England but it does in Italy. The players make an agreement and then bet or sell their information. "Often it's the directors of the clubs themselves who come to an agreement." - sports-yahoo [/url] - Name of referee Roberto Bagalini has been mentioned by players. - Chievo - Udinese game is now u/investigation that put Udinese in CL. - Stellini who was then assistant coach w/Siena is u/investigation. - Slovenian Dino Lalic who was the point man for Bettors known as the Gypsies arrived back in Rome today from Zagreb. He had been a fugitive since December of 2011 when Prosecutor of Cremona had implicated him. If he sings (likely now) more players could be implicated. - Ex Lecce G.K. (now w/Napoli) Antonio Rosati will be questioned on April 23, 2012 by Prosecutor office regarding Last season games of Lecce. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkKpgGgJmgU"] - Calcio Scommesse - In prima pagina ecco il nome di Antonio Conte - YouTube [/url] - TNAS (National Court of Arbitration for Sport) has rejected Signori appeal and confirmed his 5 year ban. - Antonio Conte (Ex Mgr of Siena) and Siena owner are likely to be called to testify by FIGC, Federal Prosecutor Palazzi. - It’s reported once Bari Ultras figured out that players were fixing games they too got into the act. On May 10, 2012 Three Bari Ultra leaders were arrested on suspicion of forcing Bari players to lose the following games. Bari 1-2 Chievo Cesena 1-0 Bari Bari 0-1 Sampdoria - It’s also reported few Bari players were slapped by the Ultras in dressing room and rest were warned. Moreover, ex-Bari players Gillet and Marco Rossi said they refused to follow the Ultra Leaders orders, but Bari did lose the 3 games. Also, alleged by Carella (friend of Masiello) is Masiello meet with Samp players including Palombo in Hotel prior to Bari 0-1 Samp game. . .
bah not like any of this matters anyways if true the big 3 will get their CL football Napoli will be out of europe and who know it might be a good thing for us...
Every club is aware of : Code of Sports Justice of FIGC for Strict liability - FIGC has re-confirmed Code of Sports Justice of FIGC for Strict liability will apply. Also, Disciplinary Regulations of UEFA provide for Strict Liability. (Meaning club/s will be held liable for their member/s and their player/s actions) .
So should clubs sequester their players? Make them live lives like monks (which might not be a bad idea now that I think about it). Strict liability is idiotic but then again, we are discussing the Italian justice system.
Hamsik will stay the other two I dont know about we have players that can take their spots Vargas who is supposed to play in Cavani's spot and Insigne who can play Lavezzi's this could be a blessing if this is true which part of me is thinking its not... change needs to happen we have become to predictable...
The fixs have moved on from match odds which were becoming a joke. Odds on the draw or either win were in many cases 1.4 pre off. Many of these games in question had correct score and the Asian lines fixed. Asian line is a handicap betting on how many a team will win by, (so they get a - start) or betting on the underdog to survive the line (they get a + start) Football is corrupt as hell. look at Fifa and all the strange dealings they have. Its needs to start at the top. Major bans for players, officals etc, long european bans for clubs and demotions down to Serie D is my suggestion. Italy needs to make a tough stance on this, no shitty appeals and reinstatements
All this news about match-fixing in Italy is just mind-boggling. You would think people would not give a second thought about getting involved in this kind of activity after what Juventus went through a few years ago. Then again, I work in the court system, so I know multiple offenders are either stupid or they think they can actually get away with things if they just do things a little bit differently than they did when they were previously caught. Of course, drug and alcohol abuse tend to cancel everything out anyway . If the Italian sporting community is really serious about cleaning up the game and making it so unattractive for owners, investors, players, referees, and fans to get involved in such shady activity, they need to hand out harsh sentences. Ban those involved for at least two years and relegate teams to Serie B and Serie C depending on the severity and quantity of the offenses. If there are enough "clean" teams in Serie B, promote them to the top flight to fill out the 20-team roster. If there aren't enough for that, let Serie A go with 16 or 18 teams if necessary. I agree with Falc that you should not punish everyone for the bad actions of a few, but this investigation seems to be fairly widespread throughout the peninsula and involves many teams (some more than others). Thanks to Kqql for updating this board with what's going on. I love watching Serie A games. Italy is one of my ancestral homes. It's very sad to hear about what's happening there. I feel bad for the great fans who love and support their teams and the upright players who honor the jerseys they wear.
Calcioscommesse Update May 17, 2012 - On May 31, 2012 the Disciplinary Commission will begin hearings from the 1st referrals forwarded by Federal prosecutor Palazzi office in Rome. - It's reported documents send to the Disciplinary Commission contain Carobbio statement to the Prosecutor Office of Cremona that states Antonio Conte had informed Siena players before the game (Novara 2-2 Siena) that Siena had reached agreement with Novara for a draw. Code: * Summary of main points of various Italian media reports. - 75 games in Serie A/B are under investigation by Prosecutor offices in Bari, Cremona and Naples. - # of Clubs u/investigations; Serie A = 11; Serie B = 17 -Serie A Clubs that risk point/s deduction are: Atalanta, Bologna, Cesena, Chievo, Genoa, Lazio, Napoli, Novara and Udinese. -Clubs where Executives, Director/s, Coaches are involved face relegation. Lecce and Siena risk point/s deduction to relegation. - It seems after all is said and done, Inter will make CL and Roma EL. Lazio, Napoli and Udinese risk point/s deduction = No Europe. * Documents from investigation done by Prosecutor Office in Cremona arrived @ FIGC, Federal prosecutor Palazzi office in Rome on Tuesday May 8, 2012. - The following was reported as breakdown of 1st referrals by FIGC: 22 clubs. 33 games; 29 from Serie B, 2 from Tim Cup, 2 from Leg Pro. 52 Active players and 2 former players. 4 Club Executives / Club employees. 3 Coaches/Technical Staff of which 2 are still active. - Serie A Clubs effected in the 1st referrals are: Atalanta, Novara and Siena. - On May 9, 2012, the witnesses and charged were notified and FIGC send the 1st referrals to the Disciplinary Commission. - On May 31, 2012 the Disciplinary Commission will begin hearings from the 1st referrals forwarded by Federal prosecutor Palazzi office in Rome. - 1st Trial is likely to be end of May, 2012 and finish before Euros. * Documents from investigation done by Prosecutor Office in Bari will arrive @ FIGC, Federal Prosecutor Palazzi office in Rome end of May 2012. - The witnesses and charged will be notified and then FIGC will send the 2nd Referrals to the Disciplinary Commission. - 2nd Trial is likely to be in July and finish before August 2, 2012. (3rd qualifying round of EL) - Serie A clubs that could be part of 2nd referrals are: Chievo, Genoa, Lazio, Lecce, Napoli, Udinese and possibly Bologna and Cesena. * FIGC and CONI will likely apply points deduction to 2011/2012 season. - Likely bans for players and illegal bettors by FIGC will be: a) 1 year ban from all football activities for anyone who was asked to fix a game, refused but then failed to report it. b) 2 years ban for anyone who placed the bet but didn't play in the game. c) 5 year ban to player who agreed to fix the game and played in it. - Anyone who is charged but cooperatives with The Federal Prosecutor Palazzi office will get reduced ban per 2007 law. - FIGC has re-confirmed Code of Sports Justice of FIGC for Strict liability will apply. (Meaning club/s will be held liable for their member/s and player/s actions) -Atalanta risk another -7 points Under investigation are the following games from 2010/2011 season. Atalanta - Piacenza Ascoli - Atalanta Padova - Atalanta * In August 2011 Atlanta were docked -6 points and Doni banned for 3.5 years from all football activities. - Bologna risk -2 points Under investigation is the following game from 2010/2011 season. Bologna - Bari Cesena risk -3 points Under investigation is Marco Rossi and the following game from 2010/2011 season. Cesena - Bari Chievo risk -3 to -6 points Under investigation are Pellissier, Luciano and the following games from 2010/2011 season. Brescia - Chievo Bari - Chievo Inter - Chievo - Genoa risk -2 points Under investigation are Milanetto, Dainelli and the following game from 2010/2011 season. Lazio - Genoa - Lazio risk -7 points and no Europe. Under investigation are Ledsema, Mauri and Brocchi and the following games from 2010/2011 season. Lazio - Genoa Lecce - Lazio - Napoli risk point/s and no Europe Under investigation are the following games from 2009/2010/2011 seasons. Sampdoria - Napoli on May 16, 2010 Napoli - Inter on May 15, 2011 Lecce - Napoli in 2011 * Gianello, the former G.K. of Napoli has stated to the prosecutor office he made attempt on behalf of the bettor/s to fix Sampdoria - Napoli game on May 16, 2010. In the dressing room he asked Paolo Cannavaro and Grava to fix the game, however both refused. * Also, Gianello has admitted to the prosecutor office that it is his voice on the wiretaps that has Ex-Chievo Player Cossato w/conversations with him and the bettors stating 9 to 11 players had agreed to fix the Napoli - Inter game; it was to end in a draw and ensure Inter finish #2, Napoli #3 and Napoli have straight passage to CL. * Mascara is under investigation for the Lecce - Napoli game. - Novara risk points Under investigation are the following games from 2010 Coppa Italia. Chiero - Novara Novara - Cyrene - Udinese risk points and no Europe Under investigation is the following game from 2009/2010 season. Udinese - Bari Chievo - Udinese More details have merged that players involved to fix this game were Parisi, Belmonte, Bonucci, Andrea Masiello and Salvatore Masiello. Also, Pepe was offered a Ferrari but refused. - Lecce risk -6 points to relegation Under investigation are Covia, Benassi, Rosati, Ferrario, and the Director of football and the following game from 2010/2011 season. Bari - Lecce - Siena risk points and to relegation Under investigation are the following games from 2010/2011 season and then assistant coach Stellini. Siena - Atalanta Ascoli - Siena Ascoli - Siena Siena - Piacenza Siena - Torino Siena - Varese Siena - Sassuolo Novara - Siena Siena - Modena - Siena player Carobbio (now on loan w/Spezia) has stated to the Prosecutor office in Cremona that Antonio Conte knew about fix of Novara 2-2 Siena game. (On April 21, 2012 AC denied he knew). Per Carobbio, bettors Gegic and Ilievski had proposed a draw or draw w/over and players from Siena and Novara agreed to a draw after meeting in Hotel where Siena team was staying in May, 2011. *Latest - 1st Mister X (Money Emissary) has been identified by Bari Prosecutor office as Carlo Quarta who delivered €230k @ Hotel Tiziano in Lecce. - 2nd Mr. X is likely overseas and non-Italian. - Also, Masiello 2 friends have now decided to offer full cooperation to Bari's Prosecutor office. [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=afp-fbl_ita_betting_ matchfixing_20120409"] "Players phoned me and said: '20,000 (euros) on this result', I did it because I trusted them," he said. "That doesn't happen in England but it does in Italy. The players make an agreement and then bet or sell their information. "Often it's the directors of the clubs themselves who come to an agreement." - sports-yahoo [/url] - Name of referee Roberto Bagalini has been mentioned by players. - Stellini who was then assistant coach w/Siena is u/investigation. - Slovenian Dino Lalic who was the point man for Bettors known as the Gypsies arrived back in Rome today from Zagreb. He had been a fugitive since December of 2011 when Prosecutor of Cremona had implicated him. If he sings (likely now) more players could be implicated. [url="[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkKpgGgJmgU[/URL]"] - Calcio Scommesse - In prima pagina ecco il nome di Antonio Conte - YouTube [/url] - TNAS (National Court of Arbitration for Sport) has rejected Signori appeal and confirmed his 5 year ban. - Antonio Conte (Ex Mgr of Siena) and Siena owner are likely to be called to testify by FIGC, Federal Prosecutor Palazzi. - It’s reported once Bari Ultras figured out that players were fixing games they too got into the act. On May 10, 2012 Three Bari Ultra leaders were arrested on suspicion of forcing Bari players to lose the following games. Bari 1-2 Chievo Cesena 1-0 Bari Bari 0-1 Sampdoria - It’s also reported few Bari players were slapped by the Ultras in dressing room and rest were warned. Moreover, ex-Bari players Gillet and Marco Rossi said they refused to follow the Ultra Leaders orders, but Bari did lose the 3 games. Also, alleged by Carella (friend of Masiello) is Masiello meet with Samp players including Palombo in Hotel prior to Bari 0-1 Samp game. - It's reported documents send to the Disciplinary Commission contain Carobbio statement to the Prosecutor Office of Cremona that states Antonio Conte had informed Siena players before the game (Novara 2-2 Siena) that Siena had reached agreement with Novara for a draw. .
Calcioscommesse Update May 18, 2012 - On May 31, 2012 the Disciplinary Commission will begin hearings from the 1st referrals forwarded by Federal prosecutor Palazzi office in Rome. It's reported documents send to the Disciplinary Commission contain Carobbio statement to the Prosecutor Office of Cremona that states Antonio Conte had informed Siena players before the game (Novara 2-2 Siena) that Siena had reached agreement with Novara for a draw. - Carobbio also states that Siena staff including Antonio Conte arranged with AlbinoLeffe staff and players a loss for Siena (AlbinoLeffe 1-0 Siena) so to help AlbinoLeffe avoid relegation. Code: * Summary of main points of various Italian media reports. - 75 games in Serie A/B are under investigation by Prosecutor offices in Bari, Cremona and Naples. - # of Clubs u/investigations; Serie A = 11; Serie B = 17 -Serie A Clubs that risk point/s deduction are: Atalanta, Bologna, Cesena, Chievo, Genoa, Lazio, Napoli, Novara and Udinese. -Clubs where Executives, Director/s, Coaches are involved face relegation. Lecce and Siena risk point/s deduction to relegation. - It seems after all is said and done, Inter will make CL and Roma EL. Lazio, Napoli and Udinese risk point/s deduction = No Europe. * Documents from investigation done by Prosecutor Office in Cremona arrived @ FIGC, Federal prosecutor Palazzi office in Rome on Tuesday May 8, 2012. - The following was reported as breakdown of 1st referrals by FIGC: 22 clubs. 33 games; 29 from Serie B, 2 from Tim Cup, 2 from Leg Pro. 52 Active players and 2 former players. 4 Club Executives / Club employees. 3 Coaches/Technical Staff of which 2 are still active. - Serie A Clubs effected in the 1st referrals are: Atalanta, Novara and Siena. - On May 9, 2012, the witnesses and charged were notified and FIGC send the 1st referrals to the Disciplinary Commission. - On May 31, 2012 the Disciplinary Commission will begin hearings from the 1st referrals forwarded by Federal prosecutor Palazzi office in Rome. - 1st Trial is likely to be end of May, 2012 and finish before Euros. * Documents from investigation done by Prosecutor Office in Bari will arrive @ FIGC, Federal Prosecutor Palazzi office in Rome end of May 2012. - The witnesses and charged will be notified and then FIGC will send the 2nd Referrals to the Disciplinary Commission. - 2nd Trial is likely to be in July and finish before August 2, 2012. (3rd qualifying round of EL) - Serie A clubs that could be part of 2nd referrals are: Chievo, Genoa, Lazio, Lecce, Napoli, Udinese and possibly Bologna and Cesena. * FIGC and CONI will likely apply points deduction to 2011/2012 season. - Likely bans for players and illegal bettors by FIGC will be: a) 1 year ban from all football activities for anyone who was asked to fix a game, refused but then failed to report it. b) 2 years ban for anyone who placed the bet but didn't play in the game. c) 5 year ban to player who agreed to fix the game and played in it. - Anyone who is charged but cooperatives with The Federal Prosecutor Palazzi office will get reduced ban per 2007 law. - FIGC has re-confirmed Code of Sports Justice of FIGC for Strict liability will apply. (Meaning club/s will be held liable for their member/s and player/s actions) -Atalanta risk another -7 points Under investigation are the following games from 2010/2011 season. Atalanta - Piacenza Ascoli - Atalanta Padova - Atalanta * In August 2011 Atlanta were docked -6 points and Doni banned for 3.5 years from all football activities. - Bologna risk -2 points Under investigation is the following game from 2010/2011 season. Bologna - Bari Cesena risk -3 points Under investigation is Marco Rossi and the following game from 2010/2011 season. Cesena - Bari Chievo risk -3 to -6 points Under investigation are Pellissier, Luciano and the following games from 2010/2011 season. Brescia - Chievo Bari - Chievo Inter - Chievo - Genoa risk -2 points Under investigation are Milanetto, Dainelli and the following game from 2010/2011 season. Lazio - Genoa - Lazio risk -7 points and no Europe. Under investigation are Ledsema, Mauri and Brocchi and the following games from 2010/2011 season. Lazio - Genoa Lecce - Lazio - Napoli risk point/s and no Europe Under investigation are the following games from 2009/2010/2011 seasons. Sampdoria - Napoli on May 16, 2010 Napoli - Inter on May 15, 2011 Lecce - Napoli in 2011 * Gianello, the former G.K. of Napoli has stated to the prosecutor office he made attempt on behalf of the bettor/s to fix Sampdoria - Napoli game on May 16, 2010. In the dressing room he asked Paolo Cannavaro and Grava to fix the game, however both refused. * Also, Gianello has admitted to the prosecutor office that it is his voice on the wiretaps that has Ex-Chievo Player Cossato w/conversations with him and the bettors stating 9 to 11 players had agreed to fix the Napoli - Inter game; it was to end in a draw and ensure Inter finish #2, Napoli #3 and Napoli have straight passage to CL. * Mascara is under investigation for the Lecce - Napoli game. - Novara risk points Under investigation are the following games from 2010 Coppa Italia. Chiero - Novara Novara - Cyrene - Udinese risk points and no Europe Under investigation is the following game from 2009/2010 season. Udinese - Bari Chievo - Udinese More details have merged that players involved to fix this game were Parisi, Belmonte, Bonucci, Andrea Masiello and Salvatore Masiello. Also, Pepe was offered a Ferrari but refused. - Lecce risk -6 points to relegation Under investigation are Covia, Benassi, Rosati, Ferrario, and the Director of football and the following game from 2010/2011 season. Bari - Lecce - Siena risk points and to relegation Under investigation are the following games from 2010/2011 season and then assistant coach Stellini. Siena - Atalanta Ascoli - Siena Ascoli - Siena Siena - Piacenza Siena - Torino Siena - Varese Siena - Sassuolo Novara - Siena Siena - Modena - Siena player Carobbio (now on loan w/Spezia) has stated to the Prosecutor office in Cremona that Antonio Conte knew about fix of Novara 2-2 Siena game. (On April 21, 2012 AC denied he knew). Per Carobbio, bettors Gegic and Ilievski had proposed a draw or draw w/over and players from Siena and Novara agreed to a draw after meeting in Hotel where Siena team was staying in May, 2011. *Latest - 1st Mister X (Money Emissary) has been identified by Bari Prosecutor office as Carlo Quarta who delivered €230k @ Hotel Tiziano in Lecce. - 2nd Mr. X is likely overseas and non-Italian. - Also, Masiello 2 friends have now decided to offer full cooperation to Bari's Prosecutor office. [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=afp-fbl_ita_betting_ matchfixing_20120409"] "Players phoned me and said: '20,000 (euros) on this result', I did it because I trusted them," he said. "That doesn't happen in England but it does in Italy. The players make an agreement and then bet or sell their information. "Often it's the directors of the clubs themselves who come to an agreement." - sports-yahoo [/url] - Name of referee Roberto Bagalini has been mentioned by players. - Stellini who was then assistant coach w/Siena is u/investigation. - Slovenian Dino Lalic who was the point man for Bettors known as the Gypsies arrived back in Rome today from Zagreb. He had been a fugitive since December of 2011 when Prosecutor of Cremona had implicated him. If he sings (likely now) more players could be implicated. [url="[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkKpgGgJmgU[/URL]"] - Calcio Scommesse - In prima pagina ecco il nome di Antonio Conte - YouTube [/url] - TNAS (National Court of Arbitration for Sport) has rejected Signori appeal and confirmed his 5 year ban. - Antonio Conte (Ex Mgr of Siena) and Siena owner are likely to be called to testify by FIGC, Federal Prosecutor Palazzi. - It’s reported once Bari Ultras figured out that players were fixing games they too got into the act. On May 10, 2012 Three Bari Ultra leaders were arrested on suspicion of forcing Bari players to lose the following games. Bari 1-2 Chievo Cesena 1-0 Bari Bari 0-1 Sampdoria - It’s also reported few Bari players were slapped by the Ultras in dressing room and rest were warned. Moreover, ex-Bari players Gillet and Marco Rossi said they refused to follow the Ultra Leaders orders, but Bari did lose the 3 games. Also, alleged by Carella (friend of Masiello) is Masiello meet with Samp players including Palombo in Hotel prior to Bari 0-1 Samp game. - [COLOR=black][FONT=Georgia]It's reported documents send to the Disciplinary Commission contain[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Georgia]Carobbio statement to the Prosecutor Office of Cremona that states[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Georgia]Antonio Conte had informed Siena players before the game (Novara 2-2 Siena)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Georgia]that Siena had reached agreement with Novara for a draw.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Georgia]- Carobbio also states that Siena staff including Antonio Conte arranged with AlbinoLeffe [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Georgia]staff and players a loss for Siena (AlbinoLeffe 1-0 Siena) so to [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Georgia]help [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Georgia]AlbinoLeffe [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Georgia]avoid relegation.[/FONT][/COLOR] . .
As everyone knows, I am 100% pro-Juve on Farsopoli, but if Conte comes out dirty, they should bury him. Not that I think a set-up intended to fling mud is impossible; indeed, it is probable, almost predictable. But Juve should be zero-tolerance if anything sticks. In all this, the thing that disappoints me most is the idea of ultras fixing their own team to lose. Ultras throwing flares, demanding that players take off the shirt... that is the right sentiment taken too far. Ultras throwing their own team's matches is the utter negation of what it means to be a fan. I'd like to believe that is a small subgroup of criminal ultras, and the other genuine ultras should beat the living shit out of them.
I wouldn't be shocked if Conte was involved. I wouldn't be shocked if anyone, anywhere was involved. There's no name out there that would surprise me. The game on the peninsula is as corrupted as it is in Asia. As for punishment for Conte, if the prosecutors office has sufficient evidence, then Conte will have to coach the prison football team from a jail cell. I don't care if he's a Juventino who brought us the Scudetto. Anyone who fixes matches deserves to be thrown in jail for a long duration. It's time to take a stand and end this nonsense.
We can look at the positive in all this and think that historically Italy tends to do well at International tournaments when there is a scandal going.
People are aware that what's being reported today was already reported, in early April. There's nothing new to the accusations of one man here, especially when a number of his teammates say that he's lying. And one newspaper describes as a drowning man grasping for anything to hold on to. scirea6 wrote a nice little rebuttal with some facts that have been left out here. Check it out here