Match-Fixing and MLS

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by KensingtonSC, Feb 4, 2013.

  1. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Well that is why Zeman is out of a job.

    Maybe so but do you really think the Mexican league is on the up and up and free of any corruption?
     
  2. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Never said that. I was only pointing out the error in the statement, " I do know you have the same owners owning multiple franchises (especially since the leagues inception) and this doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. "
     
  3. NSmith22

    NSmith22 Member

    Jan 9, 2013
    Indianapolis, IN
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True. But that's one of numerous examples in the last few years. Juve might as well have an asterisk next to every piece of hardware they win.
     
  4. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Apologies. I should have re-worded as I was mostly focusing on Europe as its the one I'm mostly familiar with. Can you imagine the backlash of what would happen in a Euro league of having Man United owners purchase Liverpool or Barca owners owning Valencia? I mean its virtually unheard of.

    Aside from this though, Concacaf leagues, (as we have seen) as well as UEFA, CONMEBOL, CAF or AFC, are far from being innocent angels either.
     
  5. Seraphim Renegade

    Jun 16, 2010
    Rose City Till I Die
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Back to the initial question, with MLS's golden boys (Landycakes & Becks) potentially finishing their MLS career after the '12 final, I'd be surprised if the final wasn't fixed. To be honest, I was even kind of surprised they didn't have Beckham take the penalty kick that Keane took for their third goal. But I feel that any fixing that may be going on in MLS is primarily done internally for its own purposes (increase club popularity, draw other big-name DPs to the league, increase league drama, etc.), aside from sports betting.
     
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  6. NSmith22

    NSmith22 Member

    Jan 9, 2013
    Indianapolis, IN
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Beckham and landon didn't take the kick cuz the final wasn't fixed lol...
     
  7. LordRobin

    LordRobin Member+

    Sep 1, 2006
    Akron, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which makes me wonder who the morons are placing the losing bets at these illegal betting houses. Presumably the same types who lose their week's salary trying to win at Three-Card Monty.

    ------RM
     
  8. Chowda

    Chowda Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Has anyone been to a US sports book and bet on soccer games? Most of the new casinos springing up are in states that don't allow human sports betting (granted, NJ is trying to get it). I don't remember MLS games being on the board the last time I was in Vegas.

    Even if people wanted to, I don't think there's a betting infrastructure in place that would facilitate match fixing.
     
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  9. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
    Club:
    FC Vaduz
    Matches that are fixed are wagered on in places where the games aren't taking places. They're done mostly over the internet and through illegal betting houses. Only a fool would be dumb enough to wager on the matches in the same place that he tried to fix them. (See: Wayne Rooney Sr.)
     
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  10. LordRobin

    LordRobin Member+

    Sep 1, 2006
    Akron, OH
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. NSmith22

    NSmith22 Member

    Jan 9, 2013
    Indianapolis, IN
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. lurking

    lurking Member+

    Feb 9, 2002
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I could see MLS being a victim of this kind of match fixing, but I dont see it as being a prime target. This kind of thing is best done in leagues where there is a lot of instability. It makes law enforcement less likely, finances are more likely to be sketchier, and social norms and laws are likely to be less strongly rooted. Its much easier to sell a player on this sort of thing if they havent been paid in a month, they are well out of the media spotlight, and the come from a nation where accepting bribes is more common.
     
  13. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
    Club:
    FC Vaduz
  14. Soundergarden

    Soundergarden New Member

    Oct 28, 2012
    Seattle, Washington
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do people actually bet on MLS games?
     
  15. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
    Club:
    FC Vaduz
    Yeah. Hell, people in the weekly PBP thread talk about matches they wager on.
     
  16. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Actually, important revision to that: most match fixing nowadays isn't about the general outcome of the game. It's on side bets, like whether there will be a penalty, whether there will be a red card, whether all 6 subs will be used, whether the underdog will score, etc. It's always puzzled me, since it seems that once this has happened a few times, only a sucker [or, I guess more to the point, a hardcore gambling addict] would take those kinds of side bets. But you know what Mencken said.

    Good point. If there hasn't been, or hasn't been much, match fixing, it's this last word that's the reason why. Christian Gomez was once asked what he thought about the paychecks in MLS and he said "I like them. They don't bounce."

    Nor would I, on an incidental basis, individual players making dumb fouls that 'don't affect the outcome' but cash in on the 'will there be a penalty' bet and the like, but I'm hopeful there's not much systematic going on here. And I'm at least encouraged that MLS didn't just say this is someone else's problem.
     
  17. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Question: Are taped phone conversations legal in the USA and if so, do leagues and/or officials ever listen to such conversations in the NBA, NFL, NHL or MLB as well as MLS? Serie A and B players have been caught because someone was actually listening to the phone conversations and using those tapes as evidence but I've never heard even of attempt of this type of in this country.
     
  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The legality of recording a phone conversation you're involved in varies from state to state. Some only allow recording of a call if both parties involved are aware of it, others allow it if only one side is aware.

    AFAIK, there is no legality to recording a phone call you are not a party to without a warrant.
     
  19. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Unlike Italy where I'm pretty sure you don't need warrants. At least they didn't need it when they busted fiorentina when I worked there...
     
  20. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But, Pete Rose reportedly never bet against the Reds, so, it was not like he was actually "fixing" games.
     
  21. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He didn't bet equally on every game, and didn't bet at all on some games, so it's reasonable to assume that the bets affected his managerial decisions.
     
  22. NSmith22

    NSmith22 Member

    Jan 9, 2013
    Indianapolis, IN
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree and I don't know him but he did seem to be a HUGE competitor so I like to think he was being honest about it never affecting his managerial decisions but it's also easy to see the other side of the coin.
     
  23. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In fact, recording a phone call you are not a party to without a warrant is a federal crime. See the federal wiretapping statute, 18 USC § 2511.

    Disclaimer: NEVER take legal advice from strangers on the internet (including me).
     
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  24. looknohands

    looknohands Member+

    Apr 23, 2009
    Louisville, KY
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Found this to be interesting:
    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/espnfcunited/id/3254?cc=5901

     
  25. NSmith22

    NSmith22 Member

    Jan 9, 2013
    Indianapolis, IN
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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