Match 59 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

They have been the "team of destiny" since topping the South American qualifiers for 2002.

I also give Argentina the edge for this match but I certainly attribute it to the class of their players much more than "fate".

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

Lost three, that's how it works. Don't cry to me about it because you lost. Lost 3, won 1, drew 1.

And like I said, if that draw was in the KO rounds, it would probably be 4-1. Go cry about it but dont do it here.

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

Bayern can be the best counter attacking team in the world with the right tactics due to having Muller, Ribery and Robben all in the same team. Obviously when we get the ball from corners and such, we can counter. Loew's plan all second half was to soak up pressure and hit on the counter. LvG never instructs his players to do this, Loew's gameplan is clearly a lot more diverse.

No, Ozil is not like Robbery. He is more of a classical playmaker, even though he has the ability to play on the wing. I would like a player that plays and dribbles by instinct like the two we have in Munich, that tries to beat his man first and then make a play/score a goal. I feel that is the only thing this team is missing currently, other than scoring from distance (which they can do but haven't attempted this WC).

That would poetic considering Maradona didn't recognize him after the friendly match with Germany even though he played in the game.

Should be a classic, the tension hasn't set in yet. It will be different story come Saturday morning however!

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

Right on the money, Argentina has the talent to win the game, but their love for theater, especially Heinze will get the best of them.

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

I had no idea that losing a game in PKs was something other than losing a game.

Thanks for informing me. And I don't appreciate being called a liar, inferenced or otherwise, when I'm the only one telling the truth.

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

Also East Germany tied Argentina 1-1 in 1974...not sure if that counts

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

East Germany is generally not considered part of Germany for any stats because they competed in the same events. It prevents Germany from getting a statistical "bonus" to their stats for total goals scored, games won, etc.

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

Regardless of who wins the PK, the match is officially considered a "tie" in the books. Don't ask me why, but that is how it is according to FIFA.

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

I know that's how FIFA records it, but that;s not how it actually works as far as progressing through a world cup. No one cares what FIFA scribbles into their books come this weekend, only who is going home.

You know they used to not count it as a tie at all? They actually used to add the PK scores straight on top of the normal game-time scores. That's why you if read old newspapers clippings about scores in shootouts and they report these crazy scores like 9 to 7 and often times didn't even mention it was in penalty kicks.


I don't know when they changed it, or why. But losing in PK is still losing.

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

And I agree with everything you said.

It is much harder for German fans since we have been on the better end of the penalties so often just for it to be recognized as a "tie" in the books of FIFA, the world's organizer of football and keeper of the game's records.

You don't have to agree with it or like, but that is the way it is. If you want to continue arguing that point, go ahead, but you'll get no where.

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

on fifa it shows as a draw.,
the one in 06'

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

Agreed. Come on Argentina! I hope they can avenge the injustice in '06!

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

I have tough time deciding which side to root for, or predicting which side will win. Under the circumstances, I have given the edge to Argentina only because of UEFA's record outside of Europe. Otherwise, I believe Argentina's attacking bunch have the weapons to hurt Germany, but I also feel Argentina's defense is weak and can be exposed by the Germans. From all this, without having a clear favorite, I at least hope we get a good match with plenty of goals and a winner that everyone agrees deserved it more than the other side.

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

Simple indeed. Yes, because Germany won the WC 36 years ago and 56 years ago, when they lost a group game, it implies losing a group game in this WC is better than not losing one at all. I get you.

Simple indeed.

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

lol

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

The simplest statistic:

No European country won ever the World Cup outside of Europe.

Yes, last time Germany drew against Argentina, IN GERMANY.

Germany nemesis: Italy.
Argentina nemesis: Brasil.

Say onara to Africa.

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

ummmm.....say what?

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

Nope but I'm an huge Arg / Maradona fan basically from Chennai. I started watching football because of Maradona and hope he can help Messi and co emulate 86....
Are you an Argie in Chn????
Even though the match has dodgy feel to it, I'm sure we will win; but just cant bare to watch 90 / 120 min....
Higuain - 1
Messi - 2
Mueller - 2
Arg 3:2 Germany
All the Best, May our team win....

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

Even though I'd love to see Argentina winning this, there's no way they can.

They have a very unballanced team that can't defend properly, they showed it pretty clearly against mexico, the only team so far that tried to attack them.

The other reason is that Argentina doesn't have players with the character to win this game, you must be cold blooded and they are not, I do think that at the very moment that if they concede one goal they are going to crumble.

 

Re: Match 57 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Pre-Match Thread

Ravshan Irmatov from Uzbekistan will be the ref of the game. He has done well so far at this WC, having officiated the opening match, the England vs. Algeria game as well as Argentina vs. Greece.