Match 51 (R16) - Germany v England - Post-Match Thread [R]

Retards, all of them. After the second german goal they should have realised the weakness and got men dropped further back, to keep going with the same crap tactic was just suicide.

Rooney was nowhere in this tournament, were the hell was all the running and aggresion and smart play we see in the prem...he didnt figure at all in any of their games, he was on the pitch but added nothing at all. Defoe and anyone else would have been a better choice.

These bunch of morons didnt deserve to win or go any further in this tournament, they got a break after the slovenia win, but this world cup has bascially consitsed of England playing poorly 3 times and averagely once...thats how crap England are, they aren't going to win a major trophy for a long time.

But then we could say the Same About Liverpool in 2005. They were terrible the first half and NOONE on earth predicted they would win at half time. But one goal can change everything.

If England got back to 2-2 Who's to say what could have happened in the second half with a totally different game.

This beating could be good for England. It might give them the wake up call they need and make them realise they need to change the way they develop their youth.

But then again I wouldn't hold my breath as when the new premier league season starts you'll see Shearer, Hansen and Dixon raving on about how good Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney are.

They ARE good that's the point. 2 of them have won Champions Leagues and contributed heavily to them. Lampard nearly Helped Chelsea win the Champions League too.

Rooneys record before his injury speaks for itself.

They are good when they have good foreign player around them.

However for England they are usually crap. Maybe they are good players but they completely lose their bottle when they play for England. They blatently lack confidence, Rooney used to have it in abundance. If the Rooney of 2004 was playing then England would have had a chance.

That's also a reason why almost nobody in Germany had any major problem with the 1-5 of Munich. It was a year after the abysmal performance at the Euros 2000, most people woke up, and everyone in German soccer had to focus on improvements in youth development. Many German fans enjoyed the (in the end substantially meaningless) thrashing of this ugly player generation, because it fortified the need for change. And nine years laters, we have a great team loaded with skilled young players.

Yes this right. And you also got to the World Cup and Euro final in the process.

It makes me laugh when England say the Germans are efficient and therfore dull. Germany throughout the years had some very skillful players like Beckenbaur, Overath, Rummenigge, Littbarski. They've always had that aspect to their game.

Rooney was playing the best football of his life this season until his injury.

Yeah he was playing good but most of his goals were poacher type goals where he was set up nicely by his team mates. The problem was that no one in the England team seemed to be to do that for him. Where has the running at defenders aspect of his game gone, where have the long range shots, volleys and lobs gone? Maybe because he peaked so early he was going to have a quicker decline.

I predict that he will physically be completely past it by the next world cup. Even now at only 24 he's not the same as he was when he was 18.

Both are not regarded very high, especially the 2002 final. Nobody likes to refer to it as an achievement, the public opinion is rather "a really bad team, going to the final just by luck of the draw, Oliver Kahn and the young Ballack; but we don't want to see anything like that again." (No offense, but maybe that's the luxury of a country that has seen lots of finals. And I'm pretty sure England would have gone to the final on the German route, and Germany would have gone out in a quarterfinal against Brazil.)
The team of 2010 has already achieved more than the team of 2002. No "Rumpelfüßler" ("rumble feet") going through against Paraguay, USA and Korea for some good keeper performances, a Ballack header and ugly football, but the confirmation that the changes of the last decade pay off, and there's lots of talent to come to outplay teams like England in a fantastic style.

Are you really surprised though? This is the worst England team I can remember.

I actually feel sorry for Capello having to manage the shower of crap. Nothing more than big egos and technically inferior hacks who look lost when the tactic isn't to run around a lot and to try and kick the skin of the ball every chance you get and who look good at their clubs surrounded by foreign imports who can actually play a bit.

I don't know why anyone is dissapointed. If you think this England team could win the world cup then you were seriously deluded or just bought into the media hype.

They're terrible and until there's a complete shift in culture in their game from the bottom up they'll never win a world cup. When the only truely world class player England has produced in the last forty years was forced into retirement to accommodate low grade hacks like Gerrard and Lampard it should have told you something.

There one man who can solve half of England's problems: Hargreaves.

You've lost all credibility in this part.

Hargreaves is past it! Alexnova you are right, England need to change the culture of their game. One thing I have noticed is that England are not stylish in any team game, whether it be football or rugby, even in cricket they have to rely on a South African to do the flamboyant stuff.
Being skillful is not encouraged in any sport it seems in England.

One other thing is that the players seem to lack intelligence. This is something that Sven said as well. This may sound controversial but most of the England team really are the lowest of the low in society. There are some intelligent guys like James, Crouch and Lampard but the rest. They need to be educated by their clubs on how to conduct themselves and behave.

This performance just hits home all the harder, how far Rooney is from Ronaldo and Messi. He's a tier below, he's capable of great feats but rarely achieves them, whereas LM and CR make things happen if their players aren't stepping up.

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I think you guys are right about much of England today but from many times ago is clear that England is too predicatable, very little creative play, no imaginations.

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This game had everything! A kick-and-rush offside goal! Wembley! The answer to Munich! As a German supporter it was very entertaining to watch, even though I feel sorry for all the English (who have been cvlassy all over BS, props!) because of that answer to Wembley. Not think it would have mattered in the end, biut of course you won't know. I think it's safe to say the better team won though, so let's just leave it at that.

Dunno what to expect from Germany in the future of this tournament. So I'll just relax and watch.

I think this will be the game this Wc will be remembered by for. The first half was the most exciting one so far, at least if you take former duels and all that into account. Some very nice football, hope this WC continues like this (-the referees, of course)!

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A lot of the players just seem to lack guts and belief. They are scared of the ball.

This was England best chance to win and they didnt take it. I honestly dont think they'll ever win a world cup again, they just haven't evolved their game. All they were doing was booting the ball up the field, they had no style, class or finesse. Did you see how Germany kept slicing through their defense, all those one touch passes, that counter attack? The German team was pretty young and inexperienced but outclassed England in every way. This reminds me of one of the classic German teams. I hope they or Brazil take it.

Im an england fan btw.

reckless... agreed on some points, but unfair to say they are scared of the ball. The players are all world class with great skill... but not the correct mixtures of skills. Something is missing and I think again it is the ability to see, distribute, vision, creativeness, etc. A player like that could make Rooney a hero...

If you are playing futbol yourself in forward spot, and have the good player to make passes to you... you will be a star! England has no such player. Oh... and better GKs would help too.

I actually think Germany have a good chance against Argentina. Argentina have not got past the quater finals of the world cup since 1990 and have not won an international trophy since the 1993 Copa America. One problem they have had over the years is a poor/weak mentality. Messi is a great player but mentally he is not very string. They still have some nutjobs like Heinze on their team.

However I cannot see Germany beating Brazil.

Heads Up, England!

I could not possibly agree more with anything than with this.