Match 29: Brazil Cote x d'Ivoire Post Game

It's now been a day and I feel like I'm living in a parallel universe. Even Brazil's biggest foes don't seem to be all that bothered by Fabiano playing basketball in the penalty area. Where's the outrage we saw with Henry? The stage here is even bigger. The discussion seems to focus on the discussion with the ref and whether there's some conspiracy, which to me so much misses the point. When Henry got away with his juggle, we heard that it was a disgrace, that he was a disgrace for not reporting himself to the ref, and this his and France's legacy were forever tarnished.

Today? Pretty much mum, other than a bemused chuckle about the handball the and the usual UFO-type conspiracies.

I love watching Brazil play. But I simply cannot understand the world's attitude. They played better yesterday and I think I'd agree with anyone who argued that they deserved the win with or without the handball(s). But who is to say, really? 1-0 is much different from 2-0, and anything could have happened. That they play more beautiful football than France just does not seem to me be a reason for such a diametrically opposed worldwide reaction.

 

Yep. A win's a win. Especially when it's a 3-0 win. Oh, sorry. That's 3-1. Forgot about IC's consolation goal at the end.

 

The way you talk, it seems that you don't see football very often, but forget me if i'm wrong. It's just that i see decisions like this all the time in european championships, and, despite the losing team allways complains, things allways settle down as this errors are part of the game. Specially when it's not clear for everybody that this was a handball unless you watch several replays. The referee only has one shot. And Fabiano tried to control the ball with his shoulder. With the body's movement, he ended up by touching with the arm to. But nothing compared with Henry's intentional hand ball, or Maradona in 86. Or even the goal denied to USA in their last game.

 

It's no different at all from Henry. He controlled it not once but twice with his arm and then scored a goal. And in both cases the ability to use his arm assisted him on the play.

I watch plenty of football and understand calls are missed. My point is not so much about the reaction, but the comparison in reactions between this obvious handling and the other famous obvious handling earlier in the year.

There is, simply, no difference except for the teams for which the offenders play.

 

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I hate to say it, BUT I agree with you 100%

 

5 - Brazil is Brazil and they can get away with murder.

 

They were clumsy chapeaux. Forlan's first goal against South Africa is better, as is David Villa's first goal today.

 

no, there is a WORLD of difference. The difference is INTENT to use the hand.

again, WATCH THE REPLAYS:

first handball: pure accident, he had his eyes closed (incoming shock in the air with a player from IC), when he opens the eyes, he doesnt even knows where the ball is

2nd handball: like ANY player, when trying to use your chest or shoulders to control an air ball, you OPEN your arms. Luis Fabiano tried to use the shoulder to dominate the ball. He was unable to reach it with the shoulder, and the ball hit his BICEPS.

Its a HUGE, ENOURMOUS difference than CAREFULLY blocking the path of the ball with you hand (on the very end of your arm) to drop it on your feet and score the goal (Henry). Or jumping with your hand near your head just so you can fake a heading (Maradona).




Its obvious that there can be worldwide outrage at the referee failing to see it... but not at LUIS FABIANO, since I dont think he TRIED to cheat.


as for Fabiano "lying" to the ref, thats what people ASSUME when seeing the replay of his talk with the ref and pointing to the shoulder. Thats because people like you ALREADY ASSUME that since he is a brazilian, he is a cheater/liar

have you ever considered that, JUST LIKE Luis Fabiano after the match said there were two handballs but both were unintentional, that Luis Fabiano could possibly be saying the SAME to the ref? Pointing out that he tried to handle the ball with the shoulder and since it was unintentional that it didnt hit the shoulder, the play should be legit (in his view)

 

that it was a handball there is no doubt. Luis Fabiano admited that. The question is if it was intentional, caractherizing dirty play, cheating, or if it was unintentional, that Fabiano TRIED to dominate the ball with the shoulder but it ended up in his arm.

 

Players who get the ball will be attacked. Players who retaliate against other players (be that justified or not) will likely provoke a penalty or even a card fron the referee.
Every player ought to know this, especially highly paid pros in the WC.

Regarding hand balls, it seems that this is very much of a grey area, happens quite a lot that a player very deliberately kicks the ball right at an opposing player's hand in order to get a 'hand ball' penalty......
I guess it's another version of swan diving.

 

Actually, I think it will be good for Brazil that Kaká doesn't play. He's been lousy all year long.

 

Perhaps, perhaps not.

Anyway, Kaká has been baffling since 2008/09. Either he's on a early leaning curve (pre-30's) or there's something seriously wrong with him.

He's clearly not the same player. At least the great player he was at AC Milan.

 

I'm portuguese and i'm defending the point of the brasilians, that is that this hand wasn't intentional in such a way to compare it to Henry's goal.