Match 21 - CRO : ESP - STARK (GER)

It started...Stark had to stop the game for a smoke bomb already, but it's going smoothly.

Sergio Ramos had a nasty challenge on Mandzukic in the 30th minute. Big non-call by Stark - that was a bad tackle and if Mandzukic hadn't pulled out he could have been seriously injured.

A penalty and a yellow at the least, but Stark afraid to make the call against group favourites (he was positioned well enough to see the challenge, but the 4th official was right in front of it). Instead hands out a yellow to Croatia for complaining.

That said there is doubt whether Ramos didn't get the ball in the process. Nonetheless the attack was pretty reckless.

Yellow card for Srna was easy as well.

Didn't see it - how do KNOW this?

Plenty there for a pk???

yeah busquets almost ripped his shirt off , lucky the ref didnt see it i guess

Two good decisions from the AR on the goal.

OK, bottom line, if I were a Croat, I would be really mad about 2 pk decisions.

They only showed the replay once, but it appeared to me that Spain was offside on the lone goal.

Iniesta (top) was on as the ball was played to him.



Navas was on the ball was played to him.

If that ball is to Iniesta on the left he's not off.

Yeah it was...look at the grass he was on.

Wrong.

Navas was offside on initial play. The moment he became active in the play (Iniesta's pass) the AR should have signalled for offside and dissallowed the goal.

2 poor non-PK calls against Croatia and an offside goal. Not a good day for Croats.

No you do not understand offside. When Iniesta passes it to Navas he is on and it is a new play. It does not matter that he was off on the pass to Iniesta because he is not involved in that play.

Sorry but you are wrong. When Iniesta passes the ball to him he has gotten into an onside position.

Mass:
Whether or not Navas was offside (he wasn't) when Iniesta passed the ball is irrelevant.

Jesus Navas was involved in initial play and as such was offside when Iniesta received the initial pass. That could be viewed as passive offside, but given Iniesta passed the ball to him then Navas gained an advantage by being in an offside position.

Well we tried guys.

Well, trying to quote the laws to sound smart.

However that phrase has a specific application. That is a player in an offside position getting the ball that rebounds off the post/crossbar or a deflection from the defender.

Ok then, thank you for your input.

OK. I take it back. You are right.
Mea culpa.

I really hope you are not a referee with your lack of knowledge of the offside law!

Hehe. Not professionally, but I do sometimes ref kiddie games for the heck of it, that's why I sometimes come onto the ref forum.

And do they have offsides in the age groups you do?
If so I suggest you get someone to teach you the offside law ;-)

Hey! When I went through a training for reffing I remember the offside law being slightly different (as in unclear on passive play), where refs were fully allowed to call for offside irrespective of who the ball was played to (a grey area where you freely choosed their preferred option). I guess I just didn't get up to date that they cleared up hose issues

Just so you know: We don't need papers here to ref kiddie games, so i don't have any.

Besides I'm not crazy stubborn. I also aim to learn and that's why I come here.

BTW My local Serbia TV still claims it was offside. Not to mention their banging on the drum on the 2 PK situations. And they hate the Croats

SITUATION 1:
Ramos on Mandzukic


1. Dangerous play, studs up, disregard for the opponents health, but Navas did at least partially get the ball - nonetheless Mandzukic seems to pull out last minute to avoid injury
2. Seems in the area, but freekick also possible

Can't find a film with the second situation.

Fair enough. I didn't recognize your name and figured you we're just an angry Croatian fan.