Luis Enrique Martinez - Vote of Confidence Thread

Discussion in 'AS Roma' started by Henchag, Feb 26, 2012.

  1. Moebek Member

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    He is still a B coach. Spanish B division is not better or equal to Serie A. Atleast Montella was always part of the Serie A as a player. He knows it pretty well. As I said Roma should have atleast given him one season to build a team and build himself as a coach like what he is doing with Catania.
          
  2. DDR Moderator

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    I don't really see any superstars in the names mentioned. It's really easy to look at whoever is doing well at the moment or has some recent success and try to paint them as a superior candidate. However in my opinion things are not so black & white.

    Giuiolin is doing well at Udinese. It's undeniable. However there are so many underlying factors that aren't even considered when you try and put all their recent success in his shoulders. For starters Udinese's project has been ongoing for years and is a natural fit for him. Secondly he has Di Natale who is playing continuously the way Totti was in the post Word Cup season. Third, if Udinese lose 5 matches in a row, no one says anything because there are no expectations. When Udinese was in first place at the start of the season no one expected him to win the scudetto. Had he gone first place with Roma and then squandered it he would be massacred week in and week out by the press.

    It's much the same for Mazzarri. He's done well in CL, but let's not kid ourselves. Their opponents botched those games pretty hard. Let's see what Mazzarri does against Mourinho or Barcelona before we act like he's a world beater. Spalletti defeated Chelsea too when they were with a coach that wasn't clicking. Also it's pretty ironic that Mazzarri would come up because he's very much a guy without a plan B. His plan B is to get himself red carded.

    Some of you guys just have too high expectations. This is more or less a new club. Everything has changed since last season. Much more than is visible to the fans, if you take a second to consider all the staff that was shown the door and the new people that entered. It's really easy to take 71 million write it in bold letters and pretend it means something. We didn't buy champions. I don't see champions anywhere on this team. Pjanic goes absent more times than not. Lamela, has shown glimpses of potential ... glimpses. Osvaldo is a jerk who curses his teammates out the second he's not passed the ball. Two weeks ago Borini tried to serve Osvaldo when Pjanic was in a better position. Why? Because Osvaldo had already cursed him out two or three times. The only superstar on this team this season is De Rossi. Everyone else has put in plenty of borderline performances.

    And I ask why do some of you even expect anything else. No one started the season and announced that they were aiming to accomplish this or that. As a matter of fact they were fairly clear in stating Roma needs to become a team that is profitable without entry in Champions League. Obviously the thought that the rebuilding process will take years crossed their minds. Why are you guys oblivious to it.

    At the end of the season we can evaluate what to do with Luis Enrique. However if you get your Guidolin, Montella, or whoever and you don't get the immediate results you want what will you do then? Bury them and on to the next guy enjoying his 15 minutes of fame?
  3. Moebek Member

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    I agree with what you said. My question is why get LE in the first place if we had Montella? Especially we are not expecting anything from him.
  4. DDR Moderator

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    It's been answered already by Baldini. They wanted a person from outside Rome and outside Italian football. A person that would not be influenced by the politics behind the scenes. Montella was not a viable candidate because of his relationship with the players. Had he stayed then Totti would have been selecting the formation. Naturally 4-2-3-1 so he can be closest to goal, and guys like Perrotta and Cassetti would be starters. Montella leaving was best for him as a coach and for Roma. He would never have found himself or expressed himself the way he has at Catania had he stayed at Roma.
  5. DCUroma Member+

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    Thank you for that post DDR because you said it alot nicer than I would have.
  6. Henchag Member+

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    How exactly? Guidolin took over an Udinese team that finished 15th in 2009 - 2010. He lost his first 4 games in serie a, but from then on he led them to 4th spot. Thats patience, start of the year. First four games! But after that guidolin delievered. Patience is not "2 years" like you want it to be.
    Spalletti is another example, shit start with us but then put a 11 game winning streak.Patience is the start of the year. Its been 7 friggin months now, we take one step forward & two steps backwards. No improvement whatsoever.

    On top of it Udinese sold 3 key starters over the last year Sanchez, Inler & Zapata. And a solid backup in Denis was gone to Atalanta. Not to forget missing out on asamoah for the ACN this year. And there were no replacements of same quality bought. Yet his team is still ahead of us.
    Are Atalanta & Catania also many years ahead of us in there project?

    Maybe it has to do with the squad in hand? You know the media knows Roma is bigger & better club then Udinese? If he is fighting relegation with udinese his head would be called as well.



    Between the CL & EPL, Napoli is the only club that did not lose to manchester city in manchester. And Mazzarri already overachieved big time, its an ignorant comment to say lets wait what he does vs mourinho or barcelona.


    What we spend is a dream to likes of Lazio, Udinese, Atalanta & Catania. While we might have not spend on champions like PSG & City do, we did spend on players which are superior to ones those sides I named have.
    So you know when you come up we did not sign "champions", please keep the discussion between the sides we are naming and not take it to Roma vs City/PSG discussion.


    You bring any manager of those u named, without coppa italia & european football we would easily be 3rd now.
  7. zako Member

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    It's time to just ignore your comments...
  8. iGiallorossi Member

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    All of the 71 million spent on transfers was spent on young players with potential to be developed into champions with the exception of Osvaldo and Borriello.
  9. DDR Moderator

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    Again you are very good at taking little bullet points and trying to turn them into something they are not.

    What happened after the 11 consecutive wins?

    Here's a refresher for those that might have forgotten. In the next eleven games after the historic winning streak Spalletti secured .... 15 points out of a possible 33 points. He failed to qualify for Champions League and only got there thanks to Calciopoli. So let's not pretend that all of a sudden everything suddenly clicked.

    Seems a bit like one step forward, one step back. But maybe that's just me.

    Even in the following season when Spalletti's Roma started to take shape they let Inter win the league, with a record amount of points separating them. So all things considered it wasn't until his 3rd year that Spalletti actually challenged for anything. And he was given a massive ... massive helping hand by the circumstances sorrounding calciopoli.

    We were never going to finish 3rd place this season, not with Luis Enrique and not with any other coach. That's the reality here, and this is something that was clear before they ever played a match this season.
  10. Henchag Member+

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    Maybe u forgot, but a certain francesco totti got injured near the end of that winning streak( on win number 10 vs empoli). And he was the only striker we had, I remember after Totti's injury we were playing taddei as striker. And in january of that year we sold a champion , Cassano.

    As for the record seperating points the next year, we actually collected 75 points that year. And it was only due to inter being so good the difference was high, as we had great year that year.And you cannot deny that.
  11. La Magica Member+

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    Quoted 5 times, that is quite a big seeth from henchag
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    It does make the forums much more pleasant to read.
  13. Henchag Member+

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    I am not a popular figure around here, But I dont want to be one either.
    I see things as they are & give my opinions out.You dont like it, its your problem.

    Alot of the people here are living blind. Just give BS excuses one after the other(Project, young , no champion etc etc) for the failures ..
    I wonder if they would swap our squad for udinese, catania, atalanta or lazio? Atalanta & Catania have so many champions that we dont apparently.


    You know LE has the best job in the world now. Fail, and still get 10 out of 10.I wish I fail this much at my job, and my boss still gives me 10 out of 10.:D

    I am just wondering if LE is doing 10 out of 10, what if we had a manager whose doing 6 out of 10? Would we be relegated with this friggin squad :D
  14. DDR Moderator

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    Who has given Luis Enrique a 10 out of 10. Seriously, you are so dramatic that it's getting to be a bit overbearing.
  15. Henchag Member+

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    I think it was Sabatini, if am not mistaken. Either him or baldini.
  16. Forzaabruzzo Member

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    Bears very little relevance considering the fact that Cassano barely featured for us prior to being sold to Real.
  17. DCUroma Member+

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    Smilies dont help make your comments any better.

    Every post you have made in this thread, has been a facepalm. Literally everyone I have facepalmed.
  18. Henchag Member+

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    You say with Totti's injury, after the 11 game winning streak Cassano wouldnt have been starter? :rolleyes:
  19. La Magica Member+

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    Dont have a problem, just stating you are in quite a big seeth mode. I have said my piece on LE, the main problem being his lack of action as he watches the inevitable during away games against smaller opponents.

    I think with a more balanced approach even this weak defence could have a chance
  20. Rellum Member

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    Nothing like watching people furiously hitting the panic button after a bad game.

    What is clear from this season is we need a another back up for DDR.
  21. Forzaabruzzo Member

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    He was frozen out of the squad due to failed contract renewal negotiations and a general lack of discipline. This was decided by Spalletti at the time. Injury to Totti or not, Cassano likely wouldn't have set foot on a pitch in a Roma jersey during the second half of that season.
  22. Henchag Member+

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    Yet another feat for LE.

    First home derby loss since november 2 1997. You know DDR he is breaking record after record. All this with lazio missing 8 players to injuries.

    Its time LE is evaluated by Baldini & Sabatini. Losing should not be forgiven, we gave him the time... but the guy just doesnt have it.. he has to go.
    Please believe me.
  23. Capitano_10 Member

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    Come on man, the game was ruined within 10 minutes. We got back into it with ten men, we could have even nicked it ourselves. The players ran their socks off, the fight was clearly there. What more could you ask for today?
  24. zako Member

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    You are so annoyingly funny...blaming this loss on LE is simply childish and makes me think you understand nothing at all...

    How many derbys have Roma won with the GK sent off and a penalty given at the start of the game? and just name me a coach who would have done better in this game than LE...First think before writing your value-lacking thoughts
  25. Capitano_10 Member

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    The point is we have absolutely dominated the derby for the past few seasons, let Lazio enjoy this one. It's taken them a 90th minute winner and a referee to give them this double, they have been lucky this time. As much as im hurting right now we will be back and this day will be forgotten.

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