Losing the League, the Cup, Europe and Karloski - The David Moyes Thread

All the English clubs use to struggle in the 90's to attract the very best players, they always went Italy or Spain. I don't think it is any longer a concern.

 

Why the insistance on "all things being equal"? Like I said, Kaka was reportedly offered 500k a week by City but chose at first to stay at AC Milan and then Real Madrid. If Man United's name was a significant draw versus the Premiership contenders, it would take crazy wages for them to choose otherwise.

If we were that much more of a draw tand Hazard's agent fee was enough to make a difference, I'd argue that Hazard would be telling his agent where to go.

I also fail to see what the profile of the player has to do with determining our drawing power. If United and Chelsea were in for Robben or Mikel, they were faced with a choice and United's name wasn't big enough to trump salaries etc.

And more to the point of this whole discussion (where our current circumstances leave us as a draw for talent) all things aren't equal anyway. We're having a shocking season which has involved some embarassing results with no UCL football to offer next season (likely) and no guarantee that 2014-15 will be any different.

Those are the circumstances in which Liverpool (among others) would be a bigger draw, especially if god forbid, they win the league. Who they were able to attract as a team that has struggled for UCL football in recent seasons is irrelevant. In fact, it goes some way to illustrating what an important factor it is to be able to play at that level. It's not like Liverpool don't have strong badge value around the world themselves, "all things being equal".

 

alright you two have lost me. so, are all things equal or not??

 

But why would you be a bigger draw than the other big England clubs if you offered less money? You claim you can't attract players generally, but it just seems like you're arguing that you can't attract big names when you pay less. That's a very different argument, and not one for which you'll get any sympathy.

 

You'd be attractive for prestige purposes. If it's a matter of a slightly lower salary to play for the bigger name, the name can trump it.

If the only advantage your name gets is effectively a tiebreaker for matched personal terms, then it's not that big a factor.

It was implied (not by you, tbf) that simply being Man United meant we wouldn't be greatly impacted by not being able to offer UCL.

My point was that if our name isn't enough to be a deciding factor in the deals we mentioned, it certainly won't be in these circumstances.

 

fyp (multiple things wrong with it i might add)

 

But it wasn't just your name in those circumstances, it's the fact that you wanted to pay less money. I don't think a lack of CL will make that much difference, since you'll be buying even more to get back to that level, which is what you'll be pitching new players.

 

Another proud record broken by Moyes. 18 years in the CL is no more.

 

Yep, that really hurts more than anything.

The Champions League campaign was probably a par. Doubt Fergie would have got us much further.

But the Prem and two domestic cup campaigns have been a joke. No Champions League plus gifting the spot to Liverpool (given we gave them six points) is just plain hurtful. Likely finishing behind Everton a cruel irony.

In retrospect having a disastrous Champions League campaign may have been better as it would have lost the battle but maybe won us the war if it meant #MoyesOut.

 

Gollum was competent.

 

We're out of the CL and that's expected. I don't believe in moral victories if that's what Moyes is getting at by saying we played well. Just get rid of Moyes asap but that won't happen. We have an easy schedule the rest of the way and we'll probably win them all since there's no pressure. Come a month from now, everyone will say how things are turning around for us but it's easy to play when there's nothing to play for. That's what happens to mid table clubs. And that's what we've become with him.

 

Some of those clubs may be fighting for something though which means being on easy street probably won't happen.

 

Maybe true. There are some more records to be broken this season...

Everton v Man Utd Sun 20 Apr 16:10
Man Utd v Norwich Sat 26 Apr 17:30
Man Utd v Sunderland Sat 3 May 15:00
Man Utd v Hull Tue 6 May 19:45
Southampton v Man Utd Sun 11 May 15:00

 

The other thing is United are a midtable club now but are still the defending champions and still the biggest club in the BPL. Teams will naturally gun for us even if they have nothing to play for ala WBA last term.

Having siad that, Everton, Norwich and Hull may/will have something to play for when we meet and Soton is always up to play a good game so pressure may be off us but for some teams not so much.

 

So what did we learn from the games against Bayern(that most of us already knew...)? Well, we learned that Moyes is good at setting up a side to defend its penalty box all game and.....nothing else.

Wonderful.

 

We'll win five on the trot and finish fourth.

 

And in what way was that "good" considering we still conceded 3 goals in 17 minutes?

 

I hate to sound like I'm defending moyes here, and I'm not, but all of those goals were conceded when United(Evra) dropped their concentration in addition to moyes himself changing the team's tactics and personnel for the worse.

 

Moyes job to keep the team on track. Look at Jose example.

In fact it is the second year in a row the lack of recognition of the situation on the sidelines caused us to lose games. When Nani was sent off, what the hell did Moyes do??

 

Is this one of your failed attempts at being funny?