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Discussion in 'Real Madrid' started by blanc, Apr 28, 2012.
I for one thought he was abit unlucky in the BM game ..
I thought he was shit and past it in that game.
Kaka was embarrassing. I thought his general play was very bad. I agree to some extent that it was a bad sub decision by Mou. Some people defend him that he was unable to play well because he was rusty. But, such an excuse is unacceptable. He should have been physically and mentally prepared. That is a normal basic thing to do as a pro. Particularly, a player like him who has been under criticism should know better. I suspect that he is unable to improve himself anymore. I just don’t understand why he wants to hang on to the club when he is ridiculed and degraded as bad credit all over the world.
I think Perez wants to keep him does he not? that's probably why he is still here, i'm probably wrong i'm not sure myself.
That and Kaka himself wants to prove himself aswell.
We have had some good moments with Kaka but overall I think if PSG are interested (ancelotti) likes him alot maybe we should listen to the offers.
I think Kaka contributed to us being ahead in the League by playing well when Di Maria was injured. Despite the disappointment after the semi final, i think he had a good season, probably his best for us in terms of how meaningful his contribution was to our season.
I thought he was average overall when filling in for Di Maria; in some matches he was excellent but this was counteracted by some poor games, hence I don't think was consistently playing at a high level. It's his recent games that he's really disappointed in, hence Mourinho's over reliance on Ozil and an out of form/unfit Di Maria.
He was poor in the Bayern game, but I think he had a good season overall. He hasn't been brilliant, but he's contributed positively when Di Maria was injured, like 4x4s said.
I'm hoping this is the last Kaká thread.
I think he has done ok this season, but still not enough. I would sell for 35million and bring in someone like Lucas from that money.
Classy guy, and I still wouldn't mind him staying another season here.
He has been average yeah and done a decent job, but the problem is his transfer fee were almost as big as David Silva and Agüeros combined fee. You expect more than average from that sort of money.
I personally think he has been utter shit, he is getting some absolute ridiculous wages and has performed no better than what any other half decent AM/SS in the world would have for us given the same time to play.
Way past it and not worth having on our books, better off giving someone else a chance.
I don't think one can really hate Kaka, seeing how nice of a lad he is, but I think even his biggest fan will admit that he is completely out of touch now.
Did you see the way he dribbled against Bayern? Sure, he had a few fluke dribbles that got him past some defenders, but he was ultimately out muscled off the ball and was just out run by every one. One of his biggest asset to his game back then was his pace, but that has gone way down, and he'll never be able to recover from that no matter how hard he tries now.
When I heard Kaka and Ronaldo was coming to Madrid, I think most of us were really excited to see these 2 once WOPTY play together and excite the Madrid crowd, but that hasn't been the case.
You could say Kaka has brought some good performance this season, but every of his good performance leads to a string of bad performance, which in truth is really hard to watch. It's painful because you still expect something from him, but he can no longer deliver that on a consistent basis.
Many fans including me have been saying, "give this lad another season to get used to the game.", and how long has it been? 3 seasons already, and it has still been poor, if not just average.
Given any half decent winger/amc in La Liga, I'm sure they would be capable of doing what Kaka has done for us.
Unless some miracle happens over the next 4 La Liga games, I don't see Kaka ever being able to win back the support that many of us had for him, and I feel sorry for him. I'm sure he himself knows that he hasn't been up to par, and all this, "I'm staying to prove my worth for Madrid" simply has not worked out. We would be better off paying his wages to someone who can offer better.
I'd rather we bought Silva than Kaka.
Like Ronaldo, he would be "our" player and has time on his side.
What a shame.
Had Kaka come in and set the world on fire no one would be complaining, but he didnt. And for 60ME, he's rivaling Ibra as the worst transfer ever.
Ibra was a good transfer. He performed well, he did what he was suppose to in a team which didn't really accommodate him. What made his transfer a failure is they forced him out for nothing after they gave up a King's Ransom.
Kaka on the other hand (as predicted) has been a complete and total failure here. As I said years ago, we should never, ever, ever have spent that money on him. Milan took us for fools and it is our fault for allowing such.
Lol, I still remember those posters on this forum saying we shouldn't buy Cristiano and how he was a waste. Saying how we should build our team around Kaka and how Cristiano was an excessive and stupid purchase.
Ha! I laugh, I laugh.
Ibra was not a good transfer simply for the reason that they obviously did not do their homework enough on him. It's not because he was a failure there, rather just considering what they gave up for him (Eto'o straight up is a better player IMO, let alone Eto'o plus 30 ME or however much it was) and that they sold him for peanuts once he was frozen out of the squad.
Ibra's response to Rosell's "worst piece of business I've ever conducted" comment was spot on: "it's the result of bad leadership."
They did their homework and he was the "Plan B" they were searching for. Last I checked he scored the goal that beat us in the Bernabeu which gave them the led going into our second match in Camp Nou.
Eto'o isn't the better player and he is also was possibly going down hill in a season, while Ibra was still rising. Ibra is a player worth 50-60ME's (Kaka? ahaahaha NO). They paid 48ME's and Eto'o but only did so because they devalued their own player. Eto'o was at least a 25-30ME worth player they just gave him up.
Yes, again worst because they paid 73-80+ million euros on a player they gave away a season later on a free loan with a 24ME purchase clause.
Has nothing to do with the player and everything to do with how they handle the situation or in this case didn't handle it.
Yeah, like I said he played fine for them. But just the way everything panned out, I don't see how you can call it a good transfer.
And Eto'o was not really on his way down that season, he was immense for Inter last season. He is just a running and goal scoring machine. I personally think Eto'o was a better player at the time, and he especially fit in better for Barca's playing style. It was an excellent piece of business for Inter, as they got a equal or better player plus a boat load of money.
Even in his own thread Kaka is disregarded to talk about others ..
It is about the context which I said it.
Was Ibra a good transfer football wise? Yes. He was exactly what they were looking for, helped them beat us and had they not turned on him been vital for them in the end.
Was he a good transfer in terms of a business decision? No. It had nothing to do with the players ability or performance and everything to do with their mismanagement.
If Jose doesn't play/trust him more next season, and if Kaka doesn't step it up a level or three, that's a spot we REALLY need consistent performance from. If Ozil is unavailable we've got to have someone to step in and make shit happen.
Alright well I guess we just have different ideas of what constitutes a good transfer, then.
Di Maria? He's done very well in the few times we put him in the center
Say we let Ricky go, who would be Ozil's sub? There are many AMs that we can get but not many playmakers to do Ozil's role.
I think we go after Lucas and pay whatever we need to to get him here if Kaka leaves. Won't have to pay a whole lot more than what we get for selling Kaka (maybe 20 ME more than we sell him for, at the absolute most), and on top of that he'll be on significantly lower wages.
Like someone said in the transfer thread, then we free up a lot in wages to sign someone like RVP or Aguero in the case that Higuain wants to leave, which I'm on the fence about.
I really liked Kaka for much of the season. But, he also disappointed and disappeared in some important situations. For me, his inability to contribute in Bernabeu v. Bayern (and, not to mention, his penalty miss) was the last straw. He's a great guy, and he has skill, but his best days are several years behind him.
We can pay that WPOTY salary to someone who will consistently put in WPOTY performances.
Hoped for better from Kaka, and I really like him, but let's try someone else. Preferably, someone who can keep possession and pass to our players on a consistent basis (not a knock on Kaka in particular, but our midfield in general), especially when we're playing "top" competition.