Liguilla - Cuartos de Final del Torneo Bicentenario 2010: Chivas vs Morelia

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  1. El_LatinLover BigSoccer Supporter

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    Dude i dont care when people attack me, i love that, I love peoples opinion and hate censorship, but last discussion i had with various after i had what i thought a good point you told us to stop Cease fire on "Intra-chivas fighting" but i guess its only when i retaliate that you say that not when various Styles does it. And dont turn this on me choul, i dont have a problem with me and various chatting it out it seems that you are the one with the problem, this is what you wrote a few days back after i retaliated....and then you edited me...
    But im glad you give me the goahead now thanks.
          
  2. Banner or Hulk? Member

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    VS is our most knowledgable poster in the Chivas section. "Mexico will be Champ" is beyond help if he doesnt think Chivas fans dont care about the Campeonisimo era, thats the source of Chivas' fame and popularity. Take that period away and Chivas is just another team in Mexico. Moral victories are for little teams, not ones that claim to be big. Why do you think teams like Atlas have stupid slogans like ''mas vale un clasico que un campeonato?''
  3. Various Styles Moderator

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    This is all very frustrating.. Thinking how the administartion after the Campeonisimo era pissed it all away. How the team suffered during the 70's and how very irregular Chivas became in the 80's and 90's. When Vergara came on board I felt that Chivas was finally on the right track but with each passing season I get the feeling that the more things change the more they stay the same.

    It is very alarming how many directivos Vergara has fired. This is not to mention the coaching carousel he has installed at the club. How many more Paco Ramirez, Azkargota's, and Yayo's will pass through the club before Mr Omnilife keeps his promise of bringing in a World Class coach which now seems next to impossible.


    As much as I hate the Tuzo's I have to give their directiva credit. They have done a good job of turning their club's fortunes around.

    I think he won an Interliga, lolz..


    I mentioned Diego Martinez and many people shot him down. Yet, just last season he managed to play and win a final with Monterrey. All of the players Chivas let go have many titles under their belt. Now, it is up for debate wether Lebrija and Real where behind loaning out the players.

    Given everything I have been reading lately about a supposed players pay cut, how Lebrija was not even aware of Chicharos sale. And the same tired excuse about the refuerzos being locker room problems. I would not be surprised if Vergara decided to once again bet on the cantera at which point it makes sense to appoint Real as head coach.

    Compltely agree.. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.. And in Copa Libertadores this is my motto; Todos menos el America.

    You contradict yourself in the following sentence :D

    Take away the Campeonisimo era and Chivas has about 3 league titles in the past 40 years. Compared to Pumas, Pachuca, and Toluca in recent time and we would be rated below those teams.

    The Chivas fans in Mexico know what is going on. They are not like the U.S fans that will pay top dollar for "partidos moleros". These are fans that are tired of the club underperforming.

    The only time the NT screwed Chivas over was when Lavolpe took the players for the Confederations Cup; specially because he did not even intend to use many of them. Jesus Corona for example was taken as the third keeper. Other than that Chivas should learn from their past and always be prepared.

    So, true. I remember reading that slogan and thinking how pathetic it must be for their fans to have that mentality. Then I read some of the coments in this thread and wonder how long before we see a slogan that reads; "Mas Vale mandar a un jugador a Europa que Ganar un Campeonato!!"
  4. el-choul Super Moderator

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    Latin- to me, your new back and forth started like this.
    And then VS made the long post you complained that I didn't edit. If you egg him on with :rolleyes:, you'd better have a much stronger case for me to do anything in your defense.
  5. el-choul Super Moderator

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    For me,

    Libertadores>Concachampions>Mexican League>>>>Goalscoring Title>National Records>National Team Callups>Exports to Europe>Whole Team Homegrown.

    As bad as Vergara has been in the past, I too have been disturbed by the talks of the salary reductions (while leading the league?!?), the forcing Reynoso and Pineda to quit DT School, etc.

    It's time to buy the team back. Anyone have change?
  6. chivamex10 Member

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    Chivas should just play in the concachampions cup and win it every year. Cos even if we win libertadores we will not go to the club world cup.
  7. tolucafan Member

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    oh hi guise
  8. Various Styles Moderator

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    Unless you are going to contribute to the thread..

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  9. MEXICO WILL BE CHAMP BigSoccer Supporter

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    Obviously Campeonisimo is important to the teams tradition and history, what I meant by that comment is most Chivas fans became fans for other reasons not that era,then once you start becoming a fan you learn the whole history not the other way around, I dont know one person who read about campeonisimo and subsequently became a fan, so no I dont think we are living off of memories,Either way I still agree with most of what is being said here, my question is whos to blame for not being number one all the time and or winning titles every other year? Vergara?the league? a curse? la seleccion? also I see the hate for Vergara, but would the last owners have built a new stadium by now? oh and how long has Vergara been owner vs. how many titles we've won in that same time, if we win 2 in the next four years will everyone forgive and love Vergara? ect...
  10. El_LatinLover BigSoccer Supporter

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    Yeah whatever puro pedo esse, we all see what we want to see. if you dont want to see your hipocracy then you dont want to see it, just dont blame it in some bureaucracy you just made, be a man and stand up at least on what u believe and dont blame it on bull shit, be a man and stand strong esse dont be a coward and use some bullshit and stand be a man, you know what i said is true, have some bolas and stand what u said, at least give that.
  11. El_LatinLover BigSoccer Supporter

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    O please facker, you know i say what i have on my mind, that point is not that, i say what i say to VS, it just happens that u facking edit me when i call him out, be a man puto, you edit me when you want and stick up for you fellow mod, if you were fair you wouldnt edit me puto, be fair in both sides.
  12. Various Styles Moderator

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    The main reason for Chivas popularity and tradition has to do with the Campeonisimo era which is the defining moment of the club. Take that away and we would be no diffrent than Morelia or Puebla.

    If you consider Chivas to be a Great Club then yes we are living in the past because it was the Campeonisimo that made Chivas great. In retrospect; Campeonisimo squad was great while the Current squad is just a good team.

    It is becoming very clear that Vergara is to blame. The main thing to consider is that Vergara is not a football person in the sense that he never followed the sport, played, or even coached. He basically runs the club the way he runs his multivitamin buissness.

    Good questions. Vergara seems to be the necessary evil. Under the previous administration Chivas was going bankrupt. With Vergara the club had improved ten fold. However for all the good he has done he seems to be doing just as bad. Truth be told Chivas has the history, support, and resources that with the proper backing they would of easily done as good as they currently are.

    Oh eSnap, the Lover from the poor side showing his Gangster side. Just settle down mang. You contradict yourself all the time and that makes you look bad. It is bad enough to see you getting owned in the NT forum because of your same mistakes but to come to the Chivas forum and dig a bigger hole for yourself; not good..
  13. El_LatinLover BigSoccer Supporter

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    Brother i love chatting it out with u, but when i get censored it just isnt fair, but i'll give it shot. Okay its great when you say i contradict myself, but you need examples esse, show your work, anyone can say shit but you need to show how i contradict myself. My little chivitas are still alive in libertadores esse with no petardos, just pura sangre nueva.-mejia comming to his own, deluna growing to our future defensa along with perez and ponce, we are doing more than monterrey, morelia and estudiantes with chavos esse, whats ur point you want older bullshit petardos? We are doing fine with what we got. By the way theres no more contradiction tha saying you want older players because they win championships, although chivas hasnt won but 2 championships in like 20 years of buying older players.

    You can keep going on about this and that, but with vergara we have 1 championship plus 4 players exported, and with your chunti mentality we have 1 championship in 1997 and 0 players exported, make the math, its very clear, you cant wiggle around numbers, the proof is on the pudding baby. And whats even crazier is that when our chavos play in libertadores, you are going and pulling for them, but when u post your frustration shows baby, and i dont blame you, its just that ur mentality doesnt let you realize what reality is as of now.

    Blaming and going on about liborio and how much he sucks shows how your mentality works and some kats here have already called you out on this. Like i said the proof is on the pudding.
  14. el-choul Super Moderator

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    Dude, just chill. VS doesn't need me to defend him.

    You and I both know you called him out the very post after I asked everyone to settle down, and that's all I edited. I didn't even infract you for it. Like I said before, if you have a problem with something he posts, then report it.
  15. metalmaster Member+

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    even with that loss to Chiapas, Chivas was a consistent. Monterrey lost their best forward and their second best is injured. I think Chivas chances were very good if this wasn't a WC year.
  16. Hecho en Chivas Member+

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    true, but i am now looking very forward to the Apertura season :)

    aside from Chicharo, i am sure we will keep everyone we have right now

    in addition, Guero showed he is a capable coach and in these last few weeks a couple of youngsters showed they can hang - Enriquez, Davila, Coronado, etc

    i do hope though that we bring in at least 1-3 players to add more depth. bring back Hulk Salazar, a left mid/winger, and perhaps another CB
  17. metalmaster Member+

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    Vergara is crazy. It would not surprise me if he fires Real because after this result. That is the root of the problem, way too many changes.
  18. el-choul Super Moderator

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    Also to remember, Enriquez (91), Davila (91), and Coronado (92) will probably be getting time with the U20 next spring, and won't be available for Chivas in every game. Of the three, I think Enriquez is the biggest deal. I'd go so far as to say he should start next season at DM, and Pato could move to CB (or play Enriquez at CB, I'm assuming no Galindo).

    Hulk is an interesting case. He played interliga, but didn't get minutes with Jaguares again until after they changed coaches (played in weeks 14, 15, and 16). He was actually catching fire and scored in his last two games, but wasn't even on the bench for the last game though, so I don't know what happened.

    The other thing to remember is Galindo's contract is up (as is Bravo's, I think). I'm concerned that Vergara will decide youngsters will be the refuerzos. So beside, signing new players, we have to keep or replace these two.
  19. Hecho en Chivas Member+

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    with Chicharito gone, we should keep Bravo

    i guess whatever personal issue he took care a few weeks ago really helped him out because after that he came back with a bang scoring a brace against Velez and one more against Morelia. he will be taking Chicharito's place as natural striker, rather than support.

    like i've previously stated, guys like Davila and Vasquez are still too green. Bravo starts and we incorporate those 2 game by game.

    Galindo is a different case. there's been rumors going around that Magallon might be the next Chiva to go abroad, and if that's the case then we should keep Galindo. Reynoso is solid, but he is slow. Galindo or Magallon are the guys that backtrack to support him. guys like De Luna and Ocampo have done well, but have shown to be injury prone. Pato could work as a CB, seeing as how that was his original position.
  20. el-choul Super Moderator

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    Keeping Bravo, plus Medina, Arellano, and Bofo, means the youngsters would be subs, which is decent way to incorporate them to the team.

    By the way, I figured out why Hulk didn't play in week 17 for Jaguares- the Mexico U21 (2012's U23 Olympic Squad, as well as the squad in the 2011 Panamericans in Guadalajara) is playing random matches in the US. Hulk started in the 3-1 victory over Richmond 3 weeks ago. The team also tied Carolina a few days later, though I don't know if he played. Mexico is scheduled to play Real Salt Lake on May 15.
  21. ЯR New Member

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    Declining salaries wont help keep veteran players.
  22. El_LatinLover BigSoccer Supporter

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    I dont have a prob with what he posts, like i said its fun chatting it up with him, its the censorship i dont care for. And you know when i called out VS i had a point, but thats cool, peace and OUT.
  23. Banner or Hulk? Member

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    They were average after the loss to Chiapas. They followed that up with a tie with Pumas, a loss to Monterrey, and then two wins before the national teamers were taken away. And once they left its not even worth mentioning what happened to them. So while i'll agree with you that they had a good chance if this wasnt a World Cup year, i'll disagree with you thinking they would have won it. :)
  24. Various Styles Moderator

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    When you claimed that you did not care if Chivas lost 6-0 to Velez and then you act like you did not even remember after I called you out on that. Then your whole argument about Bofo in the seleccion being ok as long as he just got a minute here and a minute there..

    You make it seem as if the Canteranos made it this far by themselves. Do not discard the fact that it was Carlos Ochoa that helped put Chivas in the Copa Libertadores. Do not take credit away from last season's squad that made it past the group stage. And know that Omar Bravo's two goals and penalty kick is what helped Chivas defeat Velez.

    You have some serious reading comprehension problems. I will explain this for the fourth time. IMO, players should have to earn their place in the first team.



    This statement makes it very clear that you just talk out of your ass. Since Match week 14 that Chivas has relied on the Canteranos these are the results;

    Loss to Morelia 0-3
    Loss to Indios 0-1
    Loss to Atlas 0-2
    Tied Cruz Azul 1-1

    So, we have a four game winless streak with the team unable to score a single goal. And the only tie was because the other team scored an own goal. Chivas best game came in Copa Libertadores with the 3-0 victory over Velez and it was Omar "Petardo" Bravo scoring two goals and earning a penalty kick. The following match was a 0-2 defeat.

    Now we add the Liguilla defeats; 4-2 and 1-0 against Monarcas. Yes, we are doing fine; in the past 8 games the team has posted 6 defeats, one draw and one win with 14 goals against and only 5 scored.


    An experienced player does not have to be 30 years old. Chivas can bring players in their prime like they did with Jesus Arellano, Adolfo Bautista, and Salvador Carmona to name a few.


    The only difference that you are showing me is that Chivas has exported four players. Now, open your eyes and realize that times have changed and compared to over 10 years ago more and more players, in general, are going abroad. I do not have time to explain to you the effects of the Bosman ruling because we will be here all month.

    This is because I do not abandon the team. Just because I criticize the way the Directiva is handling the club does not mean that I am hoping that the team lose.

    Again with your reading comprehension problems. I understand Liborio is the 4th keeper and why he is playing. I was simply pointing out to fellow Chivas fans not to blow smoke up his arse; there were already San Liborio and Liborio to the seleccion comments.
  25. El_LatinLover BigSoccer Supporter

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    Wait let me get a plunger.........................................................................................................................(SSSWUSSH SSSWUSSH SSSWUSSSH)


    -okay im back, okay quote where i said i didnt care, go find it, i will be waiting, until then its puro pedo.

    -Then the bofo thing about getting a minute here and a minute there, no inventes mano, i love how you get a comment and then you put your own meaning to it, falsifying it. I didnt say it was okay, i said IF they make it to the world cup they will not see many(if any)minutes, thats reality. Not that its ok for bofo to get a minute here and a minute there. You might want to get them glasses renewed cuz ur credibility may suffer.

    -I make it seem like if canteranos made it this far by themselves? Are you high? Dude reality is what it is, it doesnt need me to say that the canteranos did all of this. Wow its like arguing with the wife.

    -That carlos ochoa comment doesnt need any reply, its demented just the way it is.

    -Know that omar bravos goles have us in the finals? Is anybody else needing help on that? Yes cuz what las chivitas did requires no credit. Its a team sport dude, if u cant see that then im arguing with a child. Solito te matas.

    -people should have to earn their spot on the team? How have i gone against this? Isnt that what supposed to happen on every team ?

    -Yes we are doing fine with what we got, they took our starting team away fro... this is retarded. If you cant see reality, its worthless continuing on. U got issues baby, vergara made an alleged championship team that was tore up by the national team. And u are taking all ur frustration on this little kats. Im not against refuerzos, we got galindo and bofo, the rest we supply with la cantera which is what i am loving about this chivas.

    We are giving youth lots of opportunity unlike other teams and we are exporting players. Its a balance, and i dont know many people that think we wouldnt of won the championship, had we had our whole team. Which makes me think if it would of happend, we would of had 2 stars under vergara and with the experience these young kats are getting under the circumstances, i dont see why it would be crazy to think that we would be a contender the next few years.
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