Liguilla - Cuartos de Final del Torneo Bicentenario 2010: Chivas vs Morelia

This is all very frustrating.. Thinking how the administartion after the Campeonisimo era pissed it all away. How the team suffered during the 70's and how very irregular Chivas became in the 80's and 90's. When Vergara came on board I felt that Chivas was finally on the right track but with each passing season I get the feeling that the more things change the more they stay the same.

It is very alarming how many directivos Vergara has fired. This is not to mention the coaching carousel he has installed at the club. How many more Paco Ramirez, Azkargota's, and Yayo's will pass through the club before Mr Omnilife keeps his promise of bringing in a World Class coach which now seems next to impossible.

As much as I hate the Tuzo's I have to give their directiva credit. They have done a good job of turning their club's fortunes around.

I think he won an Interliga, lolz..

I mentioned Diego Martinez and many people shot him down. Yet, just last season he managed to play and win a final with Monterrey. All of the players Chivas let go have many titles under their belt. Now, it is up for debate wether Lebrija and Real where behind loaning out the players.

Given everything I have been reading lately about a supposed players pay cut, how Lebrija was not even aware of Chicharos sale. And the same tired excuse about the refuerzos being locker room problems. I would not be surprised if Vergara decided to once again bet on the cantera at which point it makes sense to appoint Real as head coach.

Compltely agree.. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.. And in Copa Libertadores this is my motto; Todos menos el America.

You contradict yourself in the following sentence

Take away the Campeonisimo era and Chivas has about 3 league titles in the past 40 years. Compared to Pumas, Pachuca, and Toluca in recent time and we would be rated below those teams.

The Chivas fans in Mexico know what is going on. They are not like the U.S fans that will pay top dollar for "partidos moleros". These are fans that are tired of the club underperforming.

The only time the NT screwed Chivas over was when Lavolpe took the players for the Confederations Cup; specially because he did not even intend to use many of them. Jesus Corona for example was taken as the third keeper. Other than that Chivas should learn from their past and always be prepared.

So, true. I remember reading that slogan and thinking how pathetic it must be for their fans to have that mentality. Then I read some of the coments in this thread and wonder how long before we see a slogan that reads; "Mas Vale mandar a un jugador a Europa que Ganar un Campeonato!!"

Latin- to me, your new back and forth started like this.

And then VS made the long post you complained that I didn't edit. If you egg him on with , you'd better have a much stronger case for me to do anything in your defense.

For me,

Libertadores>Concachampions>Mexican League>>>>Goalscoring Title>National Records>National Team Callups>Exports to Europe>Whole Team Homegrown.

As bad as Vergara has been in the past, I too have been disturbed by the talks of the salary reductions (while leading the league?!?), the forcing Reynoso and Pineda to quit DT School, etc.

It's time to buy the team back. Anyone have change?

Unless you are going to contribute to the thread..

The main reason for Chivas popularity and tradition has to do with the Campeonisimo era which is the defining moment of the club. Take that away and we would be no diffrent than Morelia or Puebla.

If you consider Chivas to be a Great Club then yes we are living in the past because it was the Campeonisimo that made Chivas great. In retrospect; Campeonisimo squad was great while the Current squad is just a good team.

It is becoming very clear that Vergara is to blame. The main thing to consider is that Vergara is not a football person in the sense that he never followed the sport, played, or even coached. He basically runs the club the way he runs his multivitamin buissness.

Good questions. Vergara seems to be the necessary evil. Under the previous administration Chivas was going bankrupt. With Vergara the club had improved ten fold. However for all the good he has done he seems to be doing just as bad. Truth be told Chivas has the history, support, and resources that with the proper backing they would of easily done as good as they currently are.

Oh eSnap, the Lover from the poor side showing his Gangster side. Just settle down mang. You contradict yourself all the time and that makes you look bad. It is bad enough to see you getting owned in the NT forum because of your same mistakes but to come to the Chivas forum and dig a bigger hole for yourself; not good..

Dude, just chill. VS doesn't need me to defend him.

You and I both know you called him out the very post after I asked everyone to settle down, and that's all I edited. I didn't even infract you for it. Like I said before, if you have a problem with something he posts, then report it.

Also to remember, Enriquez (91), Davila (91), and Coronado (92) will probably be getting time with the U20 next spring, and won't be available for Chivas in every game. Of the three, I think Enriquez is the biggest deal. I'd go so far as to say he should start next season at DM, and Pato could move to CB (or play Enriquez at CB, I'm assuming no Galindo).

Hulk is an interesting case. He played interliga, but didn't get minutes with Jaguares again until after they changed coaches (played in weeks 14, 15, and 16). He was actually catching fire and scored in his last two games, but wasn't even on the bench for the last game though, so I don't know what happened.

The other thing to remember is Galindo's contract is up (as is Bravo's, I think). I'm concerned that Vergara will decide youngsters will be the refuerzos. So beside, signing new players, we have to keep or replace these two.

Keeping Bravo, plus Medina, Arellano, and Bofo, means the youngsters would be subs, which is decent way to incorporate them to the team.

By the way, I figured out why Hulk didn't play in week 17 for Jaguares- the Mexico U21 (2012's U23 Olympic Squad, as well as the squad in the 2011 Panamericans in Guadalajara) is playing random matches in the US. Hulk started in the 3-1 victory over Richmond 3 weeks ago. The team also tied Carolina a few days later, though I don't know if he played. Mexico is scheduled to play Real Salt Lake on May 15.

When you claimed that you did not care if Chivas lost 6-0 to Velez and then you act like you did not even remember after I called you out on that. Then your whole argument about Bofo in the seleccion being ok as long as he just got a minute here and a minute there..

You make it seem as if the Canteranos made it this far by themselves. Do not discard the fact that it was Carlos Ochoa that helped put Chivas in the Copa Libertadores. Do not take credit away from last season's squad that made it past the group stage. And know that Omar Bravo's two goals and penalty kick is what helped Chivas defeat Velez.

You have some serious reading comprehension problems. I will explain this for the fourth time. IMO, players should have to earn their place in the first team.

This statement makes it very clear that you just talk out of your ass. Since Match week 14 that Chivas has relied on the Canteranos these are the results;

Loss to Morelia 0-3
Loss to Indios 0-1
Loss to Atlas 0-2
Tied Cruz Azul 1-1

So, we have a four game winless streak with the team unable to score a single goal. And the only tie was because the other team scored an own goal. Chivas best game came in Copa Libertadores with the 3-0 victory over Velez and it was Omar "Petardo" Bravo scoring two goals and earning a penalty kick. The following match was a 0-2 defeat.

Now we add the Liguilla defeats; 4-2 and 1-0 against Monarcas. Yes, we are doing fine; in the past 8 games the team has posted 6 defeats, one draw and one win with 14 goals against and only 5 scored.

An experienced player does not have to be 30 years old. Chivas can bring players in their prime like they did with Jesus Arellano, Adolfo Bautista, and Salvador Carmona to name a few.

The only difference that you are showing me is that Chivas has exported four players. Now, open your eyes and realize that times have changed and compared to over 10 years ago more and more players, in general, are going abroad. I do not have time to explain to you the effects of the Bosman ruling because we will be here all month.

This is because I do not abandon the team. Just because I criticize the way the Directiva is handling the club does not mean that I am hoping that the team lose.

Again with your reading comprehension problems. I understand Liborio is the 4th keeper and why he is playing. I was simply pointing out to fellow Chivas fans not to blow smoke up his arse; there were already San Liborio and Liborio to the seleccion comments.