Libertadores Final: SC Inter vs. Chivas (R)

Argentine Soccer Fan, I've done some research of my own, and while history will forever dictate that Rio da Prata is a 2-time Libertadores champion, history will also state that they defeated the same team in the final - América de Cali. Now, no disrespect to them, and I’m sure Cali was a solid team both in 1986 and in 1996, but this is a team without much tradition in the Libertadores.

(Incidentally, when they met again in 2003, Cali scored 3 goals past Rio da Prata in 15 minutes.)

The reserve keeper for Internacional acted unethically, but the game had barely ended when Desabato went after the Inter players. I wanted to see the "Argentine" point of view and checked out Canchallena.com, and he was quoted as saying that he was upset with the behavior of Internacional's fans for celebrating the win, saying this was disrespectful towards the Estudantes da Prata fans.

However, what did he expect? Should Inter's players simply have run to the tunnel and left? How could they not have celebrated such a dramatic win?

I loved, incidentally, some of the very sarcastic comments left on Canchallena.com's forums by several Argentines. Some said, "I guess Desabato was unaware that the fans D'Alessandro and Abbondanzieri were celebrating with as they ran up to the fence weren't Estudantes fans even though they were wearing red and white... those are the same colors that Internacional wears."

Several other Argentines criticized Desabato, not only for his bad sportsmanship in this instance, but for his racist comments against a black player in Morumbi years ago (Grafite - a former player of my team, Sao Paulo), and for an incident when he got very mean-spirited and personal against Ariel Ortega.

I would say this is enough evidence to show that Desabato was largely responsible for the ruckus after Internacional elminated Estudantes, even if that Inter goalkeeper wasn't a saint himself.

And, if I remember, Abbondanzieri was quoted in both the Brazilian and Argentine press as saying that Desabato went after him because they had bad blood from something in the past. In other words, Desabato started trouble with Abbondanzieri for something besides the result of that night's fixture. Sad.

I just find it funny that your getting on about Inter fans being "disrespectful" to Chivas. When again, what where you seriously expecting them to do? It's the FINAL of the libertadores ofcourse their gonna be asses towards the rival team. Where you really expecting Inter fans to give Chivas a standing ovation and blow them kisses?

And if you read my post I said CHIVAS was classless not MEXICANS, unlike you and a few others who like to put one incident in the same category as all Brazilians

But if you wanna talk about classless fans we can talk about the few Mexican fans who chanted "Osama" at the nads and threw bags of piss at them. Didn't hear you b*tching about that

I wasn't talking about what I was expecting, i'm talking about you crucifying Chivas and looking the other way when one of our players got spat on by some bum, or should I/Chiva players have been expecting that?

Please don't tell me you're falling for their bullshit? During Mexican games, it's common to see Mexican fans throw there 'cerveza' up in the air and at fans all over, I've been soaked in beer many times. There are videos out there to prove it. Of course the nads create stories and demonize us by saying it was piss.

It's a shame they got you, a Latin American, believing that shit too.

First of all, What do you care what point I make? Who the hell are you? A Chivas jedi knight? This is the Conmebol Forum. You have an "ENTIRE" Forum dedicated To mexican Futbol plus you have a Concacaf Forum. You don't see me over in those forums do you? In matter of fact I wouldn't be caught dead talking about futbol over there and even if I got the biggest free pass to troll and say whatever the hell I want over there, I still won't be caught dead. I bet you have plenty of Chivas vs Inter Ciricle jerks over there..So You move along.

Congrats to INTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Nice ASS RAPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!bring the Copa Intercontinental back!!!!

Chivas was in a Conmebol tournament, and he's a Chivas fan. This is a Conmebol forum, where there is a thread to discuss aspects of the game between Chivas and Inter with fellow Conmeboleros.

It's not that hard, but then again, look at who i'm quoting.

Argentine Futbol, drop it... I agree with you on this; I'm a traditionalist too. But FIFA took over the old Copa Intercontinental. Which is too bad... all they had to do IMO was to give it recognition and perhaps issue a new trophy.

I still miss the old days... one game, one winner.

South America vs Europe.

CONMEBOL vs UEFA.

Flamengo vs. Liverpool.

São Paulo vs. AC Milan.

Boca Júniores vs. Bayern München.

Ah... those were the days.

I didn't see anyone getting spat on, if you can show me they did then I'll agree it was classless otherwise it could be just another story like your claiming the nads make.

And whether the piss story is true or not my point is that Mexicans fans are not exactly angelitos either.

There is a picture where the guy that spat on him is running away, in this same thread. There is no video of it happening, but I'll take Fabian's word for it.

It's a bit strange that Chivas players looked for this random guy that was just standing around after he did what he did. Too strange don't you think? There had to be a reason. I can maybe see them seeking out a player, but why would they seek out a guy in normal clothing?

There is a video of Omar and Reynoso seeking him out and giving him what he deserved.

Anyway, games over. It's all over, let's move on.

tradition is only belong to champs?

america de cali had 4 finals since the 80's- were salaries and bonus for that team were out this confederation.

in any case...I can wait to see your defenition of TRADITION in copa lib.

Until there are Finalist from other Confederation than it will always be the Copa Intercontinental

America De Cali is absolutely the GREATEST CLUB NEVER TO WIN THE COPA LIBERTADORES..Everyone involved with the Copa libertadores can say that. That how they are its no use. They came down here and can't even pronounce the name of the clubs. What do they know about tradition? I remember America de Cali offered 3 million USD for maradona on a 6 month deal. Well, I guess the America de Cali Curse is still alive.....watch people go and try to wiki that..lol..

Tradition: WINNING.

This is why teams like Penharol or Independente, who haven't done much in the Libertadores in quite some time, are "traditional." They "only" have 5 and 7 titles respectively. That's why my São Paulo with its 3 (the most ever for Brazil) or Estudantes da Prata with its 4 are "traditional" teams. And that's why Internacional de Porto Alegre, with its 2nd title this week, has become a "traditional" team. It's joined the ranks of champions - and of REPEAT champions I might add.

Reaching the final is a great achievement - but winning it all is what counts. The Buffalo Bills went to 4 straight Super Bowls - and lost them all. They'd be a much different name in NFL annals had they won at least ONE of those titles - let's not talk about what if they'd won all four.

no convence!!

esa definicion es uruguaya y mas de 50 an`os vieja.

Ehhh, I'd say that reaching 4 finals is an impressive feat regardless of whether they won any of those times or not. They are definitely a traditional Colombian side in the Libertadores.

you can compare them to olimpia or colo colo.....more or less in the same page with liga de quito and atl. Nacional.

I don't think Mexico would want to be in our confederation. its good for their clubs and NT to play good competition in the Copa and Copa America, but Mexico knows that if it was in CONMEBOL it would no longer have a free pass to the world cup as it does playing in CONCACAF.

In the end, the better team won.

I have nothing against Chivas but Reynoso is a toolbag: major LOLz at him complaining about someone getting spat on--"el burro hablando de orejas".

Lastly, it is very sad in my opinion to see our finals always tainted with this kind of fighting. Whether it was started by Inter fans/players or Chivas fans/players, I could care less.

I remember pointing out to a friend after the last Champs. League final that the Inter Milan players made a path for the Bayern players to collect their medals. Not saying it does not happen at all in Europe but it certainly happens less often and it would be a rare sight to see Robben spitting on Cambiasso's face, for example.

Sad but true: congrats to Inter and also to Chivas, for making it to the final. That's no easy trick. 'That said, I do hope now CONMEBOL (for once) does things "como la gente" and has everyone start in the same fashion: either in the pre-Libertadores or the group stage.

My 2 Chilean pesos...because that's all I got.

This thread has gone wack

You should be proud of your team. Cabras Guadalajara, as I've written at least twice in the past two weeks, defeated solid teams like Velez Sarsfield and Liberdade en route to the final. Then, your team defeated a very tough and gritty Universidade de Chile in Chile - a team with World Cup players. U de Chile looked like a potential champion after they manhandled Flamengo (who is no weakling - Flamengo is the defending Brazilian champion).

Regardless of the disagreements as to whether a CONCACAF side should or should not represent Latin America if it were to win the Libertadores, the truth is that teams from FMF are the only ones in North America worthy to face the toughest and roughest - and best - that CONMEBOL has to offer.

Anybody who thinks a team from Guatemala, Costa Rica, or Honduras will ever reach the Libertadores final is unrealistic and crazy, and MLS teams would, for the most part, get pounded to the pitch were they to visit Centenario vs. Nacional or Penharol; Morumbi vs. São Paulo; or, La Bombonera vs. Boca Júniores. Mexican teams? You guys at least put up a fight and have even earned victories in our continent.

Mexico also does well at the Copa America.

In short, Mexicans are the only CONCACAF nation that completely "gets" South Americans.