Landon Donovan has 49 Assists (not 48)

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  1. Ghosting

    Ghosting Member+

    Aug 20, 2004
    Pendleton, OR
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    United States
    In another thread, a group of BS posters discovered that Landon Donovan actually has 49 assists with the USMNT (rather than the 48 attributed to him by US Soccer). To see the full documentation of this, and how we discovered it, you can check out this thread:
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/community/goto/post?id=25905588#post-25905588

    Below is a video showing all 49 assists.


    The table below lists all 49 assists as well as the date, opponent, score at the time of the assist, final score, venue, and competition.
    Code:
    1    10/25/2000  Mexico            2–0  2-0  Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum, Los Angeles, United States Friendly         
    2    1/27/2001  China            1-0  2-1  Network Associates Coliseum Oakland, Calif, USA          Friendly         
    3    1/27/2002  El Salvador      3-0  4-0  The Rose Bowl, Pasadena, Calif. USA                      2002 Gold Cup   
    4    5/16/2002  Jamaica          3–0  5-0  Giants Stadium, East Rutherford, USA                      Friendly         
    5    1/18/2003  Canada            2-0  4-0  Lockhart Stadium - Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, USA          Friendly         
    6    1/18/2003  Canada            4-0  4-0  Lockhart Stadium - Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, USA          Friendly         
    7    6/19/2003  Turkey            1-0  1-2  Geoffroy Guichard Stadium – Saint Etienne, France        2003 Confederations Cup                         
    9    7/26/2003  Costa Rica        3-2  3-2  The Orange Bowl – Miami, Fla, USA                        2003 Gold Cup   
    8    7/26/2003  Costa Rica        1-1  3-2  The Orange Bowl – Miami, Fla, USA                        2003 Gold Cup   
    10    6/13/2004  Grenada          2-0  3-0  Columbus Crew Stadium – Columbus, Ohio                    Q 2006 World Cup 
    11    6/20/2004  Grenada          2-1  3-2  Grenada National Stadium, St. George's, Grenada          Q 2006 World Cup 
    12    7/11/2004  Poland            1-1  1-1  Soldier Field – Chicago, Illinois                        Friendly         
    13    8/18/2004  Jamaica          1-1  1-1  National Stadium – Kingston, Jamaica                    Q 2006 World Cup 
    14    9/9/2004    Panama            1-1  1-1  Estadio Rommel Fernandez, Panama City, Panama            Q 2006 World Cup 
    15    10/9/2004  El Salvador      2-0  2-0  Estadio Cuscatlan – San Salvador, El Salvador            Q 2006 World Cup 
    16    2/9/2005    Trinidad & Tobago 2-0  2-1  Queen’s Park Oval – Port of Spain, Trinidad              Q 2006 World Cup 
    17    3/27/2005  Mexico            1-2  1-2  Estadio Azteca; Mexico City, Mexico                      Q 2006 World Cup 
    18    3/30/2005  Guatemala        1-0  2-0  Legion Field – Birmingham, Alabama, USA                  Q 2006 World Cup 
    19    6/8/2005    Panama            1-0  3-0  Estadio Rommel Fernandez – Panama City, Panam            Q 2006 World Cup 
    20    7/16/2005  Jamaica          2-0  3-1  Gillette Stadium – Foxboro, Mass. USA                    2005 Gold Cup   
    21    7/21/2005  Honduras          2-1  2-1  Giants Stadium – East Rutherford, N.J. USA                2005 Gold Cup   
    22    1/29/2006  Norway            5-0  5-0  The Home Depot Center – Carson, California, USA          Friendly         
    23    2/10/2006  Japan            3–0  3-2  SBC Park – San Francisco, California, USA                Friendly         
    24    4/11/2006  Jamaica          1–1  1-1  SAS Soccer Park, Cary, N.C.                              Friendly         
    25    2/7/2007    Mexico            1–0  2-0  University of Phoenix Stadium, Glendale, USA              Friendly         
    26    6/9/2007    Trinidad & Tobago 2–0  2-0  The Home Depot Center, Carson, Calif. USA                2007 Gold Cup   
    27    6/21/2007  Canada            1–0  2-1  Soldier Field, Chicago, USA                              2007 Gold Cup   
    28    9/9/2007    Brazil            1–0  2-4  Soldier Field, Chicago, USA                              Friendly         
    29    2/6/2008    Mexico            1-0  2-2  Reliant Stadium – Houston, Texas                          Friendly         
    30    3/26/2008  Poland            1–0  3-0  Wisla Stadium – Krakow, Poland                            Friendly         
    31    3/26/2008  Poland            2–0  3-0  Wisla Stadium – Krakow, Poland                            Friendly         
    32    9/10/2008  Trinidad & Tobago 1–0  3-0  Toyota Park – Bridgeview, Ill. USA                        Q 2010 World Cup 
    33    10/11/2008  Cuba              2–0  6-1  RFK Stadium, Washington, D.C., USA                        Q 2010 World Cup 
    34    2/11/2009  Mexico            2–0  2-1  Columbus Crew Stadium, Columbus, Ohio, USA                Q 2010 World Cup 
    35    4/1/2009    Trinidad & Tobago 1–0  3-0  LP Field - Nashville, Tennessee, USA                      Q 2010 World Cup 
    36    4/1/2009    Trinidad & Tobago 2–0  3-0  LP Field - Nashville, Tennessee, USA                      Q 2010 World Cup 
    37    4/1/2009    Trinidad & Tobago 3–0  3-0  LP Field - Nashville, Tennessee, USA                      Q 2010 World Cup 
    38    6/21/2009  Egypt            2–0  3-0  Royal Bafokeng Stadium, Rustenburg, South Africa          2009 Confederations Cup                         
    39    8/12/2009  Mexico            1–0  1-2  Estadio Azteca, Mexico City, Mexico                      Q 2010 World Cup 
    40    9/5/2009    El Salvador      2–1  2-1  Rio Tinto Stadium, Sandy, Utah, USA                      Q 2010 World Cup 
    41    9/5/2009    El Salvador      1–1  2-1  Rio Tinto Stadium, Sandy, Utah, USA                      Q 2010 World Cup 
    42    9/9/2009    Trinidad & Tobago 1–0  1-0  Hasely Crawford Stadium, Port of Spain, Trinidad          Q 2010 World Cup 
    43    10/10/2009  Honduras          2–1  3-2  Estadio Olímpico Metropolitano, San Pedro Sula, Honduras  Q 2010 World Cup 
    44    5/29/2010  Turkey            1–1  2-1  Lincoln Financial Field; Philadelphia, Pa, USA            Friendly         
    45    5/29/2010  Turkey            2–1  2-1  Lincoln Financial Field; Philadelphia, Pa, USA            Friendly         
    46    6/5/2010    Australia        3–1  3-1  Ruimsig Stadium; Roodepoort, South Africa                Friendly         
    47    6/7/2011    Canada            1-0  2-0  Ford Field, Detroit, Mich, USA                            2011 CONCACAF Gold Cup                           
    48    6/22/2011  Panama            1–0  1-0  Reliant Stadium, Houston, Texas, USA                      2011 CONCACAF Gold Cup                           
    49    5/26/2012  Scotland          5-1  5-1  EverBank Field, Jacksonville, USA                        Friendly          
    If you can find any errors in this list, please post them below. Also, if you have the ability to bring this to the attention of US Soccer, please do so. I'd love to see someone official either tell us where our mistake is, or update their official statistics.
     
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  2. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
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    Isn't his assist against Norway in dispute? Isn't that the game that Norway insists was a "B" friendly and the USMNT insists was an "A" friendly? Something like that anyway.......................
     
  3. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    That might be it, as I think the January (non-FIFA date) game one week earlier which featured Adu entering late vs Canada was also a game that had its status ("A" or "B") come into question.

    http://www.ussoccer.com/Teams/US-Men/Lineups/2006-Lineups.aspx
     
  4. Ghosting

    Ghosting Member+

    Aug 20, 2004
    Pendleton, OR
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    The total number of assists for 2006 in this video and in the USSF press guide match one another. The discrepancy seems to be in 2004. From another thread:
     
  5. Ghosting

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    Aug 20, 2004
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    I want to bump this thread again. With Donovan likely to get (at least) one assist in the next week, can someone who has contact with USSF (maybe Jeff Bradley) and find out why all of the assists in the video above do not count as official.
     
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  6. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    What the hell, this isn't the 1930s. They (USSoccer? FIFA? ESPN/NBC?) need to get this sorted ASAP, before Donovan reaches 50G/50A and makes history...
     
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  7. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    They definitely need to get on their job. People are watching them now
     
  8. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
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    He has 51 goals and 48 assists officially.
     
  9. Ghosting

    Ghosting Member+

    Aug 20, 2004
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    I understand that. Watch the video, follow all the links, and see if you can figure out which of the 49 assists in the video is not being counted by USSF. So far no one I've talked to has been able to figure this out.
     
  10. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
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    United States

    one of them doesnt count. as much as we can wish and hope and pray that it does...it doesnt.

     
  11. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    I want my 15 minutes of fame for discovering the error, so US Soccer needs to fix this.
     
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  12. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
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    Because one of the assists does not count in official FIFA stats. simple enough.
     
  13. StillKickin

    StillKickin Member+

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    Dec 17, 2002
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    Why must you constantly be such a curmudgeon? Ghosting is asking a legit question, seems to have no ulterior motives at all: it appears that LD does indeed have an assist that is not being counted and he's just asking if anyone has any ideas why not?

    Sheesh, dude. Give it a rest sometime, huh?
     
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  14. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

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    This has been dealt with previously. One doesnt count. end of story.
     
  15. schrutebuck

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  16. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
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    this is probably why they never counted assists before. its such a difficult deal.
     
  17. Ghosting

    Ghosting Member+

    Aug 20, 2004
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    It's OK. He's on my ignore list for a reason. :)
     
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  18. StillKickin

    StillKickin Member+

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    Mine just increased by 1.
     
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  19. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
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    I never understood ignoring people. I like the free market of ideas. It is a good place to be in. I dont need people to just confirm my ideas or feel comfortable.

    I think that makes people weak. It good to be tested.

    You have a question and it seems evident that one of the ones in that video does not count in USSF eyes. Simple enough.

    I will never ignore anyone on here. It is antithetical to free speech and discourse and to the free market of ideas.
     
  20. Ghosting

    Ghosting Member+

    Aug 20, 2004
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    Yeah... but if you look at the official match reports from the posts above, you'll see that every assist in the video is listed as an assist in the match report. The discrepancy is in 2004, (USSF says 5 assists and I have six) and the links to all six match reports are in this post: https://www.bigsoccer.com/community/...-has-49-assists-not-48.1974840/#post-26605968
     
  21. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    Then what is the conclusion from this information?

    The best explanation is that one of these assists was taken away at some point.
     
  22. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    What is the earliest printed reference anyone can find of Donovan's official assist total?

    Couple thoughts:
    * It would be pretty odd if the Poland friendly didn't count as an 'A' match. Almost 40,000 people were at that game. http://web.archive.org/web/20040712011603/http://www.ussoccer.com/
    * That one was a straightforward corner-kick-to-head, no conceivable dispute whether it was an assist.
     
  23. Ghosting

    Ghosting Member+

    Aug 20, 2004
    Pendleton, OR
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess the other possibility is that the assist to Cobi Jones in the Panama match was somehow ruled to NOT be an assist after the fact. In the video (#14) it's hard to tell exactly what happened on that ball, but it looks like Donovan missed the ball with his right foot and then hit it with his left to Jones.
     
  24. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005

    If we trust the stats in this link, then the uncredited assist is narrowed down to the Jamaica/Panama/ElSalvador qualifiers. I suspect that Ghosting is right about it being the Panama one, although it'd certainly be nice to get official confirmation of that.

    Speaking of confusion over assists, I don't understand why Shea didn't get one for Bedoya's goal against Guatemala.
     
  25. Spursfan1

    Spursfan1 Member+

    Sep 7, 2010
    Atlanta
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    that one is bizarre. but the criteria for an assist is...
     

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