La Liga Rankings: 1975-93

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  1. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
  2. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    The first one seems the Guerin Sportivo ratings
    I'll check later with the thread Serie-A rankings.
    If you want to see full ratings, you must to suscribe
     
  3. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    I know, I did that already.
     
  4. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    ;)
    I'm curious about Bundesliga, their ratings are different from Kicker
     
  5. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I looked at the top five of the all-time La Liga table and noted how many players of those historic top five teams were included in the Top 50 of the Don Balon rankings (as posted in this thread), for each individual season. I think it gains insight at how the teams were rated in general over this time period.

    My original intention was also to indicate the points achieved and goals scored but Primera Division expanded to 20 teams at the start of the 1987-88 season. Hence, for example, Real Madrid climbed from 83 goals in 85/86, 84 goals in 86/87 to 95 goals in the first expansion season. Barcelona climbed from around 60 goals (in 1982-1988 timespan) to about 90 goals as well (although this coincided with the start of the 'Dream Team' era). For this reason, I dropped this idea.

    Here it goes (number of players included in top 50 Don Balon ranking 1975-1993):


    Real Madrid

    1976 - 5
    1977 - 2
    1978 - 6
    1979 - 9
    1980 - 6
    1981 - 5
    1982 - 4
    1983 - 4
    1984 - 2
    1985 - 3
    1986 - 8
    1987 - 6
    1988 - 4
    1989 - 5
    1990 - 7
    1991 - 3
    1992 - 6
    1993 - 7


    Barcelona

    1976 - 6
    1977 - 5
    1978 - 8
    1979 - 0
    1980 - 1
    1981 - 2
    1982 - 3
    1983 - 1
    1984 - 1
    1985 - 5
    1986 - 5
    1987 - 6
    1988 - 1
    1989 - 6
    1990 - 6
    1991 - 8
    1992 - 7
    1993 - 8


    Valencia

    1976 - 0
    1977 - 1
    1978 - 3
    1979 - 2
    1980 - 6
    1981 - 3
    1982 - 5
    1983 - 0
    1984 - 2
    1985 - 3
    1986 - 0
    1987 - 0
    1988 - 6
    1989 - 6
    1990 - 7
    1991 - 2
    1992 - 5
    1993 - 4


    Athletic Bilbao

    1976 - 2
    1977 - 5
    1978 - 7
    1979 - 8
    1980 - 4
    1981 - 4
    1982 - 5
    1983 - 6
    1984 - 5
    1985 - 3
    1986 - 5
    1987 - 2
    1988 - 5
    1989 - 1
    1990 - 2
    1991 - 0
    1992 - 0
    1993 - 3


    Atletico Madrid

    1976 - 3
    1977 - 9
    1978 - 3
    1979 - 4
    1980 - 3
    1981 - 5
    1982 - 1
    1983 - 3
    1984 - 0
    1985 - 3
    1986 - 5
    1987 - 2
    1988 - 1
    1989 - 3
    1990 - 1
    1991 - 3
    1992 - 5
    1993 - 1


    Will try to do this for more teams in the all-time table
     
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  6. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Decided to do it in this way, more clubs will follow.

    Real Madrid

    1976 - 5
    1977 - 2
    1978 - 6
    1979 - 9
    1980 - 6
    1981 - 5
    1982 - 4
    1983 - 4
    1984 - 2
    1985 - 3
    1986 - 8
    1987 - 6
    1988 - 4
    1989 - 5
    1990 - 7
    1991 - 3
    1992 - 6
    1993 - 7


    Best seasons:

    1978/1979 (champion, 47 points, 3 losses)
    Players: Stielike (#2), Sol (#9), Pirri (#10), Wolff (#11), Juanito (#19), San José (#25), Benito (#34), Del Bosque (#35), Jensen (#43)
    Manager: Molowny

    Worst seasons:

    1976/1977 (9th, 34 points, 12 losses)
    Players: Pirri (#33), Camacho (#42)
    Manager: Miljanic

    1983/1984 (2nd, 49 points, 7 losses)
    Players: Miguel Angel (#18), Stielike (#36)
    Manager: Di Stefano

    Best improvement (5 more players):

    1984/1985 (5th, 36 points, 11 losses)
    Players: Stielike (#5), Butragueno (#18), Miguel Angel (#44)
    Manager: Amancio, replaced by Molowny

    1985/1986 (champion, 56 points, 4 losses)
    Players: Valdano (#1), Michel (#2), Butragueno (#8), Sanchez (#9), Sanchis (#19), Maceda (#20), Camacho (#24), Chendo (#50)
    Manager: Molowny

    Biggest drop (4 players dropped):

    1989/1990 (champion, 62 points, 2 losses)
    Players: Vazquez (#1), Sanchez (#3), Schuster (#12), Chendo (#22), Gordillo (#29), Michel (#30), Sanchis (#45)
    Manager: Toshack

    1990/1991 (3rd, 46 points, 12 losses)
    Players: Butragueno (#10), Hierro (#40), Buyo (#50)
    Manager: Toshack, Di Stefano, Antic
     
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  7. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Barcelona

    1976 - 6
    1977 - 5
    1978 - 8
    1979 - 0
    1980 - 1
    1981 - 2
    1982 - 3
    1983 - 1
    1984 - 1
    1985 - 5
    1986 - 5
    1987 - 6
    1988 - 1
    1989 - 6
    1990 - 6
    1991 - 8
    1992 - 7
    1993 - 8


    Best seasons:

    1977/1978 (2nd, 41 points, 9 losses)
    Players: Migueli (#1), Cruijff (#2), Olmo (#9), Artola (#10), Ramos (#18), Asensi (#19), De la Cruz (#23), Rexach (#37)
    Manager: Michels

    1990/1991 (champions, 57 points, 6 losses)
    Players: Goicoechea (#1), Nando (#9), Bakero (#12), Stoichkov (#18), Laudrup (#21), Zubizarreta (#23), Ferrer (#26), Eusebio (#35)
    Manager: Cruijff

    1992/1993 (champions, 58 points, 5 losses)
    Players: Laudrup (#3), Zubizarreta (#4), Guardiola (#8), Ferrer (#14), Bakero (#21), Nadal (#26), Koeman (#35), Begiristain (#46)
    Manager: Cruijff


    Worst seasons:

    1978/1979 (5th, 38 points, 12 losses)
    Players: none
    Manager: Muller, Rife


    Best improvement (5 more players):

    1987/1988 (6th, 39 points, 14 losses)
    Players: Schuster (#42)
    Manager: Venables, Aragones

    1988/1989 (2nd, 57 points, 4 losses)
    Players: Aloisio (#6), Roberto (#10), Milla (#19), Eusebio (#20), Zubizarreta (#32), Serna (#37)
    Manager: Cruijff


    Biggest drop (8 less players):

    1977/1978 (2nd, 41 points, 9 losses)
    Players: Migueli (#1), Cruijff (#2), Olmo (#9), Artola (#10), Ramos (#18), Asensi (#19), De la Cruz (#23), Rexach (#37)
    Manager: Michels

    1978/1979 (5th, 38 points, 12 losses)
    Players: none
    Manager: Muller, Rife
     
  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Valencia

    1976 - 0
    1977 - 1
    1978 - 3
    1979 - 2
    1980 - 6
    1981 - 3
    1982 - 5
    1983 - 0
    1984 - 2
    1985 - 3
    1986 - 0
    1987 - 0
    1988 - 6
    1989 - 6
    1990 - 7
    1991 - 2
    1992 - 5
    1993 - 4


    Best seasons (7 players):

    1989/1990 (2nd, 53 points, 5 losses)
    Players: Penev (#6), Fernando (#11), Ochotorena (#13), Arias (#19), Giner (#23), Quique (#28), Arroyo (#32)
    Manager: Esparrago


    Worst seasons:

    Several


    Best improvement (6 players):

    1986/1987 (promoted to PD, 1st, 57 points, 11 losses)
    Players: none
    Manager: Di Stefano

    1987/1988 (14th, 33 points, 15 losses)
    Players: Giner (#17), Quique (#18), Arias (#26), Subirats (#41), Voro (#45), Fernando (#46)
    Manager: Di Stefano, Gil


    Biggest drop (5 players):

    1981/1982 (5th, 39 points, 12 losses)
    Players: Tendillo (#1), Solsona (#4), Sempere (#16), Arnesen (#29), Botubot (#34)
    Manager: Pasieguito, Mestre

    1982/1983 (15th, 25 points, 18 losses)
    Players: none
    Manager: Mestre, Miljanic, Aguirre

    &

    1989/1990 (2nd, 53 points, 5 losses)
    Players: Penev (#6), Fernando (#11), Ochotorena (#13), Arias (#19), Giner (#23), Quique (#28), Arroyo (#32)
    Manager: Esparrago

    1990/1991 (7th, 40 points, 13 losses)
    Players: Arias (#36), Giner (#47)
    Manager: Esparrago
     
  9. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Athletic Bilbao

    1976 - 2
    1977 - 5
    1978 - 7
    1979 - 8
    1980 - 4
    1981 - 4
    1982 - 5
    1983 - 6
    1984 - 5
    1985 - 3
    1986 - 5
    1987 - 2
    1988 - 5
    1989 - 1
    1990 - 2
    1991 - 0
    1992 - 0
    1993 - 3


    Best season:

    1978/1979 (9th, 34 points, 12 losses)
    Players: Dani (#4), Alexanko (#14), Rojo (#15), Escalza (#21), Iribar (#28), Tirapu (#29), Villar (#47), Sarabia (#48)
    Manager: Aguirre


    Worst season:

    1990/1991 (12th place), 1991/1992 (14th place)
    Players: none
    Managers: Clemente, Saez, Aranguren


    Best improvement (3 places):

    1975/1976 (5th, 34 points, 9 losses)
    Players: Lasa (#32), Irureta (#41)
    Manager: Iriondo

    1976/1977 (3rd, 38 points, 11 losses)
    Players: Churruca (#4), Dani (#7), Gisasola (#26), Rojo (#28), Iribar (#29)
    Manager: Aguirre

    &

    1986/1987 (14th, 42, 17 losses)
    Players: Andrinua (#25), Gallego (#36)
    Manager: Iribar

    1987/1988 (4th, 46 points, 9 losses)
    Players: Ferreira (#24), Andrinua (#31), Salinas (#32), Biurrun (#33), Alkorta (#48)
    Manager: Kendall

    &

    1991/1992 (14th, 33 points, 18 losses)
    Players: none
    Manager: Saez, Aranguren

    1992/1993 (8th, 40 points, 15 losses)
    Players: Guerrero (#13), Valencia (#34), Andrinua (#49)
    Manager: Heynckes


    Biggest drop (4 players)

    1978/1979 (9th, 34 points, 12 losses)
    Players: Dani (#4), Alexanko (#14), Rojo (#15), Escalza (#21), Iribar (#28), Tirapu (#29), Villar (#47), Sarabia (#48)
    Manager: Aguirre

    1979/1980 (7th, 35 points, 14 losses)
    Players: Dani (#23), Alesanco (#38), Guisosola (#47), Rojo (#49)
    Manager: Senekowitsch

    &

    1987/1988 (4th, 46 points, 9 losses)
    Players: Ferreira (#24), Andrinua (#31), Salinas (#32), Biurrun (#33), Alkorta (#48)
    Manager: Kendall

    1988/1989 (7th, 42 points, 11 losses)
    Players: Lakabeg (#46)
    Manager: Kendall
     
  10. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Before I continue the remark that Bilbao won the championship in 1982/1983 and 1983/1984. These were remarkably not their best rated seasons.

    1982/1983 (champion, 50 points, 6 losses)
    Players: De Andrés (#16), Sarabia (#17), Urquiaga (#32), Dani (#34), Nunez (#36), Goikoetxea (#38)
    Manager: Clemente

    1983/1984 (champions, 49 points, 5 losses)
    Players: De Andrés (#7), Liceranzu (#9), Zubizarreta (#10), Urquiaga (#11), Goikoetxea (#15)
    Manager: Clemente
     
  11. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Atletico Madrid

    1976 - 3
    1977 - 9
    1978 - 3
    1979 - 4
    1980 - 3
    1981 - 5
    1982 - 1
    1983 - 3
    1984 - 0
    1985 - 3
    1986 - 5
    1987 - 2
    1988 - 1
    1989 - 3
    1990 - 1
    1991 - 3
    1992 - 5
    1993 - 1


    Best season:

    1976/1977 (champion, 46 points, 7 losses)
    Players: Luis Pereira (#3), Leal (#5), Ayala (#15), Reina (#32), Marcelino (#35), Cano (#37), Robi (#39), Alberto (#41), Capon (#47)
    Manager: Aragones


    Worst season:

    1983/1984 (4th, 42 points, 9 losses)
    Players: none
    Manager: Aragones


    Best improvement (6 players):

    1975/1976 (3rd, 42 points, 10 losses)
    Players: Luis Pereira (#10), Reina (#35), Eusebio (#49)
    Manager: Aragones

    1976/1977 (champion, 46 points, 7 losses)
    Players: Luis Pereira (#3), Leal (#5), Ayala (#15), Reina (#32), Marcelino (#35), Cano (#37), Robi (#39), Alberto (#41), Capon (#47)
    Manager: Aragones


    Largest drop (6 players):

    1976/1977 (champion, 46 points, 7 losses)
    Players: Luis Pereira (#3), Leal (#5), Ayala (#15), Reina (#32), Marcelino (#35), Cano (#37), Robi (#39), Alberto (#41), Capon (#47)
    Manager: Aragones

    1977/1978 (6th, 36 points, 14 losses)
    Players: Marcial (#32), Luis Pereira (#41), Marcelino (#49)
    Manager: Aragones
     
  12. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Now I'll make an overview of the foreign players who made the 1975-93 rankings. Minimum criteria is two appearances in the list; I used my own spreadsheet for this. Hope it is informative.

    What I will list is the rankings of a player, how many players of his team made the top 50 (including himself) and the average rank.
    It will be listed too in which years he did not make the top 50 including the games played (because that heavily influenced this) and how many players of his team made the top 50.

    I decided as well to give someone the same rank as others with the same average rating. This means that if someone is listed on the 31th place but has the same average rating as number 22, he will get 22 as ranking.

    I will start with the players who made two appearances in the list, between parentheses is the # of team-mates listed.

    Foreign players with two appearances in Don Balon 1975-1993

    Joao Alves (Portugal; Salamanca)
    1977: 6 (2)
    1978: 6 (1)
    Average rank: 6

    Gabriel Calderon (Argentina; Betis)
    1984: not ranked (5 team-mates ranked) - started 33 games
    1985: not ranked (1 team-mate ranked) - started 28 games
    1986: 45 (3)
    1987: 21 (3)
    Average rank: 33

    Ruben Cano (Argentina; Elche, Atletico Madrid)
    1976: 48 (2)
    1977: 34 (9)
    1978: not ranked (3) - started 33
    1979: not ranked (4) - started 34
    1980: not ranked (3) - started 28
    1981: not ranked (5) - started 25
    1982: not ranked (1) - started 8
    Average rank: 41

    Daniel Carnevalli (Argentina; Palmas)
    1976: not ranked (1) - started 27
    1977: not ranked (3) - started 34
    1978: 19 (3)
    1979: 4 (4)
    Average rank: 12

    Donato (Brazil; Atletico Madrid)
    1989: not ranked (3) - started 37
    1990: 46 (1)
    1991: not ranked (3) - started 25
    1992: not ranked (5) - started 32
    1993: 41 (1)
    Average rank: 44

    Carmelo Giuliano (Argentina; Hercules)
    1976: 8 (5)
    1977: not ranked (0) - started 32
    1978: not ranked (2) - started 33
    1979: not ranked (1) - started 33
    1980: 23 (2)
    1981: not ranked (0) - started 13
    1982: not ranked (1) - started 0
    Average rank: 16

    Nikola Jerkan (Croatia; Real Oviedo)
    1991: 17 (2)
    1992: 10 (1)
    1993: not ranked (1) - started 38
    Average rank: 14

    Carlos Morete (Argentina; Palmas, Sevilla)
    1976: not ranked (1) - started 30
    1977: 13 (3)
    1978: 11 (3)
    1979: not ranked (4) - started 27
    1980: not ranked (1) - started 32
    1981: not ranked (1) - started 19
    Average rank: 12

    Johan Neeskens (Netherlands; Barcelona)
    1976: 3 (6)
    1977: 11 (5)
    1978: not ranked (8) - started 17
    1979: not ranked (0) - started 30
    Average rank: 7

    Oceano (Cape Verde; Real Sociedad)
    1992: 23 (4)
    1993: 43 (2)
    Average rank: 33

    Oscar Regenhardt (Argentina; Malaga)
    1983: 8 (4)
    1984: 12 (4)
    1985: not ranked (1) - started 20
    Average rank: 10

    Ricardo Rezza (Argentina; Salamanca, Gijon)
    1976: 6 (2)
    1977: not ranked (2) - started 23
    1978: not ranked (1) - started 27
    1979: 4 (8)
    1980: not ranked (1) - started 6
    Average rank: 5

    Ricardo Rocha (Brazil; Real Madrid)
    1992: 5 (6)
    1993: 31 (7)
    Average rank: 18

    Ruben Sosa (Uruguay; Real Zaragoza)
    1986: 38 (6)
    1987: not ranked (1) - started 36
    1988: 14 (1)
    Average rank: 26

    Hristo Stoichkov (Bulgaria; Barcelona)
    1991: 17 (8)
    1992: 7 (7)
    1993: not ranked (8) - started 34
    Average rank: 12

    Jorge Valdano (Argentina; Real Zaragoza, Real Madrid)
    1980: not ranked (2) - started 32
    1981: not ranked (0) - started 13
    1982: not ranked (3) - started 29
    1983: not ranked (6) - started 34
    1984: 40 (5)
    1985: not ranked (3) - started 26
    1986: 1 (8)
    1987: not ranked (6) - started 27
    1988: not ranked (4) - started 0
    Average rank: 21

    Jose Luis Zalazar (Uruguay; Albacete)
    1992: 16 (4)
    1993: 17 (1)
    Average rank: 17
     
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  13. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Foreigners with three appearances in Don Balon 1975-1993

    Juan Barbas (Argentina; Real Zaragoza)
    1983: 3 (6)
    1984: 1 (5)
    1985: 43 (1)
    Average rank: 16

    Jose Biurrun (Brazil; Real Sociedad, Osasuna, Athletic Bilbao, Espanol)
    1982: not ranked (8) - started 0
    1983: not ranked (2) - started 0
    1984: not ranked (2) - started 6
    1985: 20 (5)
    1986: 23 (2)
    1987: not ranked (2) - started 41
    1988: 32 (5) - started 36
    1989: not ranked (1) - started 38
    1990: not ranked (2) - started 36
    1991: 10 (3)
    1992: not ranked (1) - started 38
    1993: not ranked (1) - started 5
    N.B. listed as Spanish since 1991
    Average rank: 21

    Johan Cruijff (Netherlands; Barcelona)
    1976: 24 (6)
    1977: 1 (5)
    1978: 2 (8)
    Average rank: 9

    Enzo Ferrero (Argentina; Sporting Gijon)
    1976: not ranked (4) - started 28
    1977: second division
    1978: 11 (3)
    1979: 14 (8)
    1980: not ranked (4) - started 30
    1981: 8 (10)
    1982: not ranked (5) - started 26
    1983: not ranked (3) - started 26
    1984: not ranked (2) - started 18
    1985: not ranked (7) - started 10
    Average rank: 11

    Mario Kempes (Argentina; Valencia, Hercules)
    1977: 9 (1)
    1978: 33 (3)
    1979: not ranked (2) - started 30
    1980: 20 (6)
    1981: not ranked (3) - started 12
    1982: playing for River Plate (Argentina)
    1983: not ranked (0) - started 26
    1984: not ranked (2) - started 13
    1985: not ranked (1) - started 17
    1986: not ranked (0) - started 20
    Average rank: 21

    Ronald Koeman (Netherlands; Barcelona)
    1990: 11 (6)
    1991: not ranked (8) - started 20
    1992: 11 (7)
    1993: 35 (8)
    Average rank: 19

    Luboslav Penev (Bulgaria; Valencia)
    1990: 6 (7)
    1991: not ranked (2) - started 29
    1992: 27 (5)
    1993: 25 (4)
    Average rank: 19

    Hector Scotta (Argentina; Sevilla)
    1977: 16 (4)
    1978: not ranked (1) - started 22
    1979: 21 (1)
    1980: 27 (3)
    Average rank: 21

    Enrique Wolff (Argentina; Palmas, Real Madrid)
    1976: 24 (1)
    1977: 9 (3)
    1978: not ranked (6) - started 34
    1979: 4 (9)
    Average rank: 12
     
  14. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Players with four appearances Don Balon 1975-1993

    Michael Laudrup (Denmark; Barcelona)
    1990: 18 (6)
    1991: 20 (8)
    1992: 1 (7)
    1993: 3 (8)
    Average rank: 11

    John Lauridsen (Denmark; Espanol, Malaga)
    1982: not ranked (4) - started 14
    1983: not ranked (2) - started 31
    1984: 16 (5)
    1985: 32 (5)
    1986: 32 (2)
    1987: not ranked (4) - started 27
    1988: not ranked (2) - started 18
    1989: 46 (5)
    1990: not ranked (1) - started 23
    Average rank: 32

    Luis Pereira (Brazil; Atletico Madrid)
    1976: 10 (3)
    1977: 1 (9)
    1978: 38 (3)
    1979: 28 (4)
    1980: 23 (3)
    Average rank: 20
    N.B. listed as Spanish in 1980
     
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  15. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Foreigners with five appearances Don Balon 1975-1993

    Thomas N'Kono (Cameroon; Espanol)
    1983: 19 (2)
    1984: 16 (5)
    1985: 7 (5)
    1986: 17 (2)
    1987: not ranked (4) - started 42
    1988: not ranked (2) - started 35
    1989: 9 (1)
    1990: playing in Second Division
    1991: not ranked (3) - started 0
    Average rank: 14

    Hugo Sanchez (Mexico; Atletico Madrid, Real Madrid)
    1982: not ranked (1) - started 19
    1983: not ranked (3) - started 31
    1984: not ranked (0) - started 27
    1985: 20 (3)
    1986: 9 (8)
    1987: 1 (6)
    1988: 11 (4)
    1989: not ranked (5) - started 35
    1990: 3 (7)
    1991: not ranked (3) - started 19
    1992: not ranked (6) - started 8
    Average rank: 9

    Bernd Schuster (West-Germany; Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid)
    1981: not ranked (2) - started 23
    1982: not ranked (3) - started 13
    1983: not ranked (1) - started 28
    1984: not ranked (1) - started 22
    1985: 3 (5)
    1986: not ranked (5) - started 22
    1987: not ranked (6) - started 0
    1988: 39 (1)
    1989: not ranked (5) - started 33
    1990: 11 (7)
    1991: 8 (3)
    1992: 14 (5)
    1993: not ranked (1) - started 22
    Average rank: 15
     
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  16. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Foreigner with six appearances Don Balon 1975-1993

    Roberto D'Alessandro (Argentina; Salamanca)
    1976: 5 (3)
    1977: 40 (2)
    1978: not ranked (1) - started 18
    1979: 4 (3)
    1980: 46 (1)
    1981: 26 (1)
    1982: playing in Second Division
    1983: 48 (3)
    1984: not ranked (1) - started 7
    Average rank: 28

    Foreigner with eight appearances Don Balon 1975-1993

    Ulrich Stielike (West-Germany; Real Madrid)
    1978: 4 (6)
    1979: 2 (9)
    1980: 9 (6)
    1981: 3 (5)
    1982: 2 (4)
    1983: 11 (4)
    1984: 35 (2)
    1985: 4 (3)
    Average rank: 9

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    That was it. Should be possible to do it for all players but that will take a loooong time. Maybe I'll do it only for players who made the top 10-20 once in their career.
     
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  17. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Good work Pucko, I'll have to rep you for this.
     
  18. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    I decided to do it for every Spanish player with more as 15 caps (which includes everyone who won Don Balon award for Spanish players too).
     
  19. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Ranking of Spanish internationals in Don Balon 1975-1993 (minimum 15 caps)
    [note: same average grade = same ranking]

    Letters A - I

    Abelardo (54 caps)
    1990: not ranked
    1991: 44
    1992: not ranked
    1993: 41

    Alexanko (34 caps)
    1977: not ranked
    1978: not ranked
    1979: 14
    1980: 38
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Alkorta, Rafael (54 caps)
    1985: second division
    1986: second division
    1987: second division
    1988: 39
    1989: not ranked
    1990: 33
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Amavisca (15 caps)
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: second division
    1993: second division

    Amor, Guillermo (37 caps)
    1988: second division
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Andrinua, Genar (28 caps)
    1984: second division
    1985: second division
    1986: not ranked
    1987: 23
    1988: 29
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: 49

    Arconada, Luis (68 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: not ranked
    1978: 11
    1979: 25
    1980: 4
    1981: 18
    1982: 2
    1983: 24
    1984: 37
    1985: 12
    1986: not ranked
    1987: 6
    1988: 4
    1989: not ranked

    Asensi, Juan Manuel (41 caps)
    1976: 24
    1977: 11
    1978: 19
    1979: not ranked
    1980: not ranked
    1981: not ranked

    Bakero, Jose Maria (30 caps)
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: 11
    1987: not ranked
    1988: 36
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: 12
    1992: 44
    1993: 21

    Begiristain, Aitor (22 caps)
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: 46

    Belsue, Alberto (17 caps)
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Benito, Gregorio (23 caps)
    1976: 7
    1977: not ranked
    1978: 33
    1979: 28
    1980: not ranked
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked

    Butragueno, Emilio (69 caps)
    1982: second division
    1983: second division
    1984: not ranked
    1985: 18
    1986: 6
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: 22
    1990: not ranked
    1991: 10
    1992: 32
    1993: not ranked

    Caldere, Ramon Maria (18 caps)
    1983: second division
    1984: second division
    1985: not ranked
    1986: 42
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: second division

    Camacho, Jose Antonio (81 caps)
    1976: 8
    1977: 41
    1978: not ranked
    1979: not ranked
    1980: 30
    1981: 3
    1982: 6
    1983: 24
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: 23
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked

    Caminero, Jose Luis (21 caps)
    1987: second division
    1988: second division
    1989: second division
    1990: not ranked
    1991: 46
    1992: not ranked
    1993: second division

    Canizares, Santiago (46 caps)
    1993: 37

    Carrasco, Francisco Jose (35 caps)
    1979: not ranked
    1980: not ranked
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: 6
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked

    Chendo, Miguel Porlan (26 caps)
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: 49
    1987: 18
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: 22
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Churruca, Jose Ignacio (16 caps)
    1976: 23
    1977: 4
    1978: 33
    1979: not ranked
    1980: not ranked
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked

    Dani, Daniel Ruiz-Bazan Justa (25 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: 6
    1978: 19
    1979: 4
    1980: 23
    1981: 22
    1982: not ranked
    1983: 33
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked

    Del Bosque, Vincente (18 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: not ranked
    1978: not ranked
    1979: 28
    1980: 23
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked

    Eloy Jose Olaya Prendes (15 caps)
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: 31
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Eusebio Sacristan (15 caps)
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: 43
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: 20
    1990: not ranked
    1991: 35
    1992: 36
    1993: not ranked

    Ferrer, Albert (36 caps)
    1990: not ranked
    1991: 26
    1992: not ranked
    1993: 14

    Fran, Fransisco Javier (16 caps)
    1988: second division
    1989: second division
    1990: second division
    1991: second division
    1992: 20
    1993: 2

    Fransisco Javier Lopez (20 caps)
    1982: not ranked
    1983: 41
    1984: 30
    1985: 43
    1986: 26
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Gallego, Francisco Fernandez (36 caps)
    1976: 12
    1977: 20
    1978: not ranked
    1979: not ranked
    1980: not ranked

    Gallego, Ricardo (42 caps)
    1979: second division
    1980: second division
    1981: not ranked
    1982: 22
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: 16
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked

    Garate, Jose (18 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: not ranked

    Goikoetxea, Jon Andoni (36 caps)
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: 15
    1991: 1
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Goikoetxea, Andoni (39 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: not ranked
    1978: not ranked
    1979: not ranked
    1980: not ranked
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked
    1983: 38
    1984: 15
    1985: 29
    1986: 11
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked

    Gordillo, Rafael (75 caps)
    1977: not ranked
    1978: 38
    1979: second division
    1980: 1
    1981: 18
    1982: 20
    1983: 7
    1984: 32
    1985: 28
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: 28
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: second division

    Guardiola, Josep (47 caps)
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: 8

    Guerrero, Julen (41 caps)
    1993: 12

    Hierro, Fernando (89 caps)
    1988: 39
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: 39
    1992: 32
    1993: 22

    Iribar, Jose Angel (49 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: 29
    1978: 19
    1979: 28
    1980: not ranked
     
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  20. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Ranking of Spanish internationals in Don Balon 1975-1993 (minimum 15 caps)
    [note: same average grade = same ranking]

    Letters J - Z

    Jimenez, Manuel (15 caps)
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: 39
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Joaquin, Alonso Gonzalez (18 caps)
    1977: second division
    1978: not ranked
    1979: not ranked
    1980: 41
    1981: 22
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: 44
    1985: 20
    1986: 4
    1987: 21
    1988: 6
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: 28

    Juanito (34 caps)
    1976: second division
    1977: 1
    1978: not ranked
    1979: 14
    1980: not ranked
    1981: 10
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: second division
    1989: 21

    Julio Alberto (34 caps)
    1978: not ranked
    1979: not ranked
    1980: second division
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: 6
    1986: 26
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked

    Luis Enrique (62 caps)
    1990: not ranked
    1991: 14
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Maceda, Antonio (36 caps)
    1977: second division
    1978: not ranked
    1979: not ranked
    1980: not ranked
    1981: not ranked
    1982: 31
    1983: 2
    1984: 27
    1985: 15
    1986: 17
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked

    Manolo, Manuel Sanchez (28 caps)
    1985: second division
    1986: second division
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: 16
    1993: not ranked

    Marcial Pina (15 caps)
    1976: 31
    1977: not ranked
    1978: 32
    1979: 40
    1980: not ranked

    Marcos Alonso (22 caps)
    1978: not ranked
    1979: not ranked
    1980: not ranked
    1981: 10
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked

    Martin Vazquez (38 caps)
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: 17
    1990: 1
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Michel (66 caps)
    1982: second division
    1983: second division
    1984: second division
    1985: not ranked
    1986: 2
    1987: 3
    1988: 10
    1989: 25
    1990: 28
    1991: not ranked
    1992: 44
    1993: 12

    Miguel Angel (18 caps)
    1976: 1
    1977: not ranked
    1978: 11
    1979: not ranked
    1980: not ranked
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: 16
    1985: 43
    1986: not ranked

    Migueli (31 caps)
    1976: 13
    1977: 6
    1978: 1
    1979: not ranked
    1980: 12
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked
    1983: 14
    1984: 7
    1985: 1
    1986: 38
    1987: 3
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked

    Munoz, Victor (60 caps)
    1977: not ranked
    1978: not ranked
    1979: not ranked
    1980: not ranked
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: 17
    1987: 10
    1988: not ranked

    Nadal, Miguel Angel (62 caps)
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: second division
    1990: not ranked
    1991: 3
    1992: not ranked
    1993: 25

    Paco Jemez (21 caps)
    1992: second division
    1993: 7

    Perico Alonso (20 caps)
    1978: not ranked
    1979: 4
    1980: 15
    1981: 8
    1982: 10
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: second division
    1987: 23
    1988: not ranked

    Pirri, Jose Martinez (41 caps)
    1976: 2
    1977: 33
    1978: 3
    1979: 4
    1980: not ranked

    Pizzi, Juan (22 caps)
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Quini (35 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: 34
    1978: not ranked
    1979: 1
    1980: 19
    1981: not ranked
    1982: 46
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked

    Quique Sanchez (15 caps)
    1985: 15
    1986: not ranked
    1987: second division
    1988: 18
    1989: 8
    1990: 28
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Rexach (15 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: not ranked
    1978: 33
    1979: not ranked
    1980: not ranked
    1981: not ranked

    Rincon, Hipolito (22 caps)
    1978: second division
    1979: not ranked
    1980: second division
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: second division

    Robert, Roberto Fernandez (29 caps)
    1980: second division
    1981: second division
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: 6
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: 32
    1988: not ranked
    1989: 9
    1990: 33
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Rojo, Jose Francisco (18 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: 26
    1978: not ranked
    1979: 14
    1980: 49
    1981: 28
    1982: 18

    Salinas, Julio (56 caps)
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: 46
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Sanchis, Manuel (48 caps)
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: 17
    1987: 32
    1988: 9
    1989: 3
    1990: 44
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: 17

    Santillana (56 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: not ranked
    1978: 46
    1979: not ranked
    1980: 33
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked

    Sarabia (15 caps)
    1977: not ranked
    1978: second division
    1979: 47
    1980: not ranked
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked
    1983: 15
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: 33
    1991: not ranked

    Satrustegui, Jesus Maria (32 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: not ranked
    1978: not ranked
    1979: 28
    1980: 12
    1981: 16
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked

    Saura, Enrique (23 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: not ranked
    1978: not ranked
    1979: not ranked
    1980: 33
    1981: not ranked
    1982: not ranked
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: second division
    1987: second division
    1988: second division

    Senor, Juan Antonio (41 caps)
    1979: second division
    1980: second division
    1981: second division
    1982: not ranked
    1983: 1
    1984: 16
    1985: not ranked
    1986: 2
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: 13
    1990: not ranked

    Sol, Juan Cruz (28 caps)
    1976: 31
    1977: not ranked
    1978: not ranked
    1979: 4
    1980: not ranked
    1981: not ranked

    Tendillo, Miguel (27 caps)
    1979: not ranked
    1980: 7
    1981: 6
    1982: 1
    1983: not ranked
    1984: 23
    1985: 11
    1986: not ranked
    1987: 10
    1988: 29
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Tomas, Pedro (19 caps)
    1982: second division
    1983: second division
    1984: second division
    1985: 14
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: not ranked
    1989: 46
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: not ranked
    1993: not ranked

    Ufarte, Roberto Lopez (15 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: not ranked
    1978: 26
    1979: not ranked
    1980: 2
    1981: 10
    1982: 8
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: not ranked
    1986: not ranked
    1987: 10
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: second division

    Villar, Angel Maria (22 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: not ranked
    1978: not ranked
    1979: 47
    1980: not ranked
    1981: not ranked

    Vizcaino (15 caps)
    1988: not ranked
    1989: not ranked
    1990: not ranked
    1991: not ranked
    1992: 36
    1993: not ranked

    Zamora, Jesus Maria (30 caps)
    1976: not ranked
    1977: 20
    1978: not ranked
    1979: not ranked
    1980: 8
    1981: 28
    1982: 37
    1983: not ranked
    1984: not ranked
    1985: 20
    1986: not ranked
    1987: not ranked
    1988: 11
    1989: not ranked

    Zubizarreta, Andoni (126 caps)
    1982: 27
    1983: not ranked
    1984: 10
    1985: 12
    1986: 9
    1987: 2
    1988: not ranked
    1989: 31
    1990: 10
    1991: 22
    1992: 44
    1993: 4
     
  21. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Great info, mate. Thanks

    I had a question. Most people see La Liga's level at 70s very low, also euro leagues coefficient show that.

    But apart for a low quality in spanish players, i think that the level of foreign players (at least on paper) is very high. Arguably the best signing for all euro leagues. What do you think, guys?
     
  22. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Cruyff, Kempes, who else?
     
  23. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    We're talking about Neeskens, Breitner and Netzer, recently.
    But also, played there Luis Pereira, Rep, Mazurkiewicz, Simonsen, Bonhof, Bertoni, Krankl, etc.
     
  24. Once

    Once Member+

    Apr 16, 2011
    Neskeens, Sotil, Stielike, Breitner, Netzer, Simonsen (in 1979), Luis Pereira, Bonhof...
     

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