Well, whether it works or not, we still need to find and test out two alternatives at a minimum in the defensive midfield position soon imo... I wish we had some more time to stage another friendly (and not one with a side like Spain for crying out loud...)
Sadly I don't think neither KSY or KJC can handle to much defensive responsibilty at the moment. I would like to be proven wrong. We need someone like Yoo Sang-Chul. It's sad that KJW is so careless. If Kim Sung-Hwan is anything like Yoo then I'm all for it.
I do. We're changing the way our fullbacks play. Our left wing will no longer be filled with all right footers. And once DR Cha is replaced, we won't have a fullback who plays further forward than a wingback like Dani Alves. We'll be able to afford our wingers to conserve more energy for developing attacks instead of playing as auxiliary fullbacks.
Hodori, you and I tend to agree more often than not, but I'll have to agree with KSock here. Koo Ja-cheol simply cannot match Yoo Sang-cheol's power, midfield presence and defensive skills. Yoo is an all-time great. The man was top-notch in defending, attacking and even scoring goals. He was the epitome of an all-round player.
I don't disagree. But I see a slightly better range of shooting and close ball control from KJC... The other aspects, he might be able to cultivate as he grows into his frame. I concede his ceiling might never reach Yoo SC's level, but then again, most of my memories of Yoo SC is of him playing post 25... And given KJC's age, I want to try to give him the benefit of my doubt.
He'll probably play right behind LDG. I dunno. I just feel like this Spain friendly is a mistake. It's one thing to play the best in a tune up before a tournament with our best squad that's had time to prepare... It's another thing to do this w/ a patchwork squad w/ limited preparation...
I'll concede that Koo's close control is better, but none of his other attributes come even close, IMO. Yoo Sang-cheol was even great in the air. Remember his goal vs. Mexico in 02 Confed Cup? He scored that goal with a broken nose. It was unbelievable.
It wasn't just positioning. Though of course hong chul process exemplified the worst parts of CKRs tactics. Its a revolving door one on one or even one on two. Sadly I think we need full on proper midfielders out wide until our defense shows otherwise.
I think LDG was called up, but I don't recall seeing him get meaningful playing time. That was a pretty memorable tournament minus Japan making the final. Hwang Sun-hong's performance was legendary and I would even say that's when Hiddink made up his mind about making him our starter for WC02.
Hwang Sun Hong ... ^ What do you guys think of KSY in a deep play-making role similar to the one he played in the 2007 U-20 World Cup, with KJC as the #10 playing alongside KBK feeding passes to SHM+JDW? What position did KJC play against Australia during the 2011 Asian Cup? and any chance we can incorporate a midfield with Yoon Bitgaram, KSY, KBK, and KJC?
and leave our shitty defense without cover in the midfield? koo and ki are not good enough defensively to play both DM positions. they tend to move forward and are more familiar with attacking. i would only play one at a time based on matchup, given CKH sticks to the 4231 formation. playing them both at the same time will leave the defense susceptible and be a waste. playing one of them with a more free role will likely produce better attacks then two natural attackers being an awkward defensive pairing, limiting both players' capabilities.
Its all frustratingly problematic between LCY's unknown fitness, PCY's AWOL-ness, the lumpy progress of JDW/SHM and the lack of development in the back four. Not to steer this too far astray but I think this conversation is a bit strained and awkward as its unclear whether we're talking about spain, WCQ, '14 or the theoretical long term plan. For example, long term, I'd rather have SHM learn to play out wide but he's not ready this year IMO and may never be the longer he stays in 4-4-2. In the near term, I'd rather have PCY on top but thats obviously a non-starter. Perhaps we should try to break this thread down into various pieces, using the NT for long term, Spain pre-match for WCQ, etc. Its also unclear to me whether people would rather have people out of position and averaging higher quality across every position, or have more people in their proper place and make do with bad fits or lack of experience or whatnot in a couple positions. My preference for now is the latter... I felt like we did too much of the former with CKR and never had a sense of coherence, player comfort or long term plan.
I think pairing Ki Sung-yong with a traditional DM deep in midfield with Koo Ja-cheol playing slightly ahead of them is what a lot of us are suggesting here. I'm not sure about starting Ji Dong-won up front (or anywhere else for that matter), though. Attacking midfielder/second striker just behind Ji Dong-won, who played as a false nine. Too many playmakers and too little (or no) defenders.
If Hamburg do end up landing Koo Ja-cheol this summer, I think playing as a CM in a 4-4-2 will help him consolidate his all-round game.
You know what would really solve many of our problems - especially the can KJC and KSY play together and where should KJC play questions... We start playing the 3-4-3 again. With the personnel that we have right now, that's really what we should be doing imo. Another reason why I was baffled CKR moved away from it...
Whatever... Let me know if we ever develop decent fullbacks in the next two years to properly execute a 4-2-3-1 once we're out of the Asia rounds and CKH is gone... Until then, having 3 at the back with the sweeper playing behind the right and left CHs against a 2-top opposition or the sweeper as a classic libero ahead of the other two against a 1-top to avoid 3v1 scenarios makes sense for our defensively limited personnel.
Considering we have no decent fullbacks, two CMs, LCY and KBK, and three pretty good strikers, i always thought a 3-4-3 could work for us.
