Review: Klinsmann,not enough young Americans are getting playing time in MLS..

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Fiosfan, Apr 5, 2012.

  1. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It means you picked the wrong wingman.
     
  2. yellowbismark

    yellowbismark Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Blocked from playing time (note, when I say this I'm not necessarily implying whether PT for Agudelo is justified or not - just saying he hasn't seen much of the field at NY).
     
  3. RapidStorm

    RapidStorm Member+

    Jan 30, 2005
    Denver, CO
    Don't I know it.
     
  4. bmantx

    bmantx Member

    Jun 11, 2008
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kofi Sarkodie? Not NT, but he gets regular U-23 call ups.

    It his 2nd season and so far he doesn't appear to be in Dom's plans.
     
  5. Jough

    Jough Member+

    Jul 30, 2007
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I actually think MLS does a decent enough job of promoting domestic players (in both the US AND Canada) and in recent years, the shift towards growing the academy system is also a welcome change. The best thing MLS could do for domestic players would be to continue to promote and grow the reserve league and expand MLS rosters and salary space so that the mid-level youth talent can stay here, get paid, and play games, instead of head overseas, get paid more, and play bit parts and bench ride.

    It's hard for me to decide how much partnership I want between MLS and USSF, but I think MLS has done a very good job over the last few years in focusing on domestic youth, and while there's still room to grow, I don't think they're ignoring or avoiding their shortcomings either. Homegrown players are a nice way to incentize local academys. We just need to grow the league more so rosters can be bigger and resrve matches and other competitions (Open Cup and CCL) can be open to deeper teams with younger players.

    One thought may be offer teams salary incentives for signing younger players? Say shave 10% off their salary cap hit for every year they are under 23? So that 18 year old full of potential that you want to sign at $200k to keep him Stateside would only cost you $100k the first year, $120k the next, $140 when he's 20, etc. Just trying to think outside the box...

    Still need the roster space for that though...
     
  6. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Lafayette, Louisiana
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is where not having a strong second division in this country really hurts, IMO. Players who aren't good enough (yet) to crack a starting MLS lineup need viable option other than the bottom half of an MLS roster. No matter how many reserve games MLS plays, or how hard the league tries to make them competitive, game experience in a second division would always be better for purposes of development.
     
  7. boredbobby

    boredbobby Member

    Nov 30, 2009
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure would be nice if these players could be loaned out to smaller clubs to get some play time. Oh wait, they can't because transfer window is shut right now and open during the MLS off season. #fail
     
  8. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Smaller clubs where?

    Sweden and Norway?
    1 January – 31 March 1 August – 31 August

    Japan?
    8 January – 2 April 16 July – 13 August

    Finland?
    1 March – 30 April 1 August – 31 August

    Denmark?
    11 June – 1 September

    All open within the first half of the MLS season.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_window

    Your post - #fail
     
  9. iron81

    iron81 Member+

    Jan 6, 2011
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The US transfer window is open right now, so players can be loaned to the NASL or USL. It closes Apr 15. Tampa Bay just picked up an MLS player yesterday, though I don't remember who.
     
  10. boredbobby

    boredbobby Member

    Nov 30, 2009
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, why aren't those countries requesting MLS Players Jason Maxwell?
     
  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know bored bobby from San Diego, California but its not because the transfer windows aren't open bored bobby. :rolleyes:
     
  12. yellowbismark

    yellowbismark Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has Klinnsman said something that's not full of shit since he took over the National Team program?
     
  13. Jossed

    Jossed Member+

    Apr 23, 2011
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Josh Suggs
     
  14. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
  15. El Naranja

    El Naranja Member+

    Sep 5, 2006
    Alief
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hainault is a beast, so PT has been hard for the Prince to come by. However we have a very heavy summer load coming and Andre will be gone a lot for WCQs. With the U-23s out of the Olympics, he will get all the playing time he wants.
     
  16. Howard the Drake

    Feb 27, 2010
    I think the issue with loans is that the development aspects of NASL/USL aren't really that good. The coaching is not as good (and probably less extensive--- USL Pro and NASL teams might only have two coaches...and often with questionable qualifcations like Claude Anelka), you're training/playing against guys who might never amount to anything, etc.

    Look at Agudelo--- which would have been better for him in 2011--- the Red Bulls, or playing for FC New York at a college soccer stadium (probably training at a high school), replacing practice with Thierry Henry with practice with Chris Megaloudis, etc.?

    The ideal arrangement would probably be MLS teams fielding full reserve teams in USL or NASL a la Germany where the 3rd and 4th divisions are a blend of reserve teams and minor professional clubs...but that's many years and a ton of money away from happening.
     
  17. PoorService

    PoorService New Member

    Apr 4, 2010
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    not sure why there's such hostility to JK's statement?

    The exact same complaints are made in Italy and England about 18-21 year olds not getting enough games.

    I am quite pleased that TFC is giving their academy kids a lot of opportunities to play though ..... so MLS has been a blessing for getting young Canadians playing time
     
  18. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    What's the rule in the Mexican League?

    At least one Mexican player under 21 on the field at all times, is that it?
     
  19. EL MONO MARIO

    EL MONO MARIO Member

    Apr 9, 2002
    Montevideo, Uruguay
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Blah Blah Blah... Klinsmann talks.. since he got to US Soccer all he does is talk.... Wish ANY of his team actually played well.
     
  20. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yeah..........but that's what he did with Germany too. Low was the X's and O's guy with Germany, and Klinsi was the motivator/organizer/planner.

    We're not getting anything with Klinsi that's unexpected. Talking is what he's best at.

    And frankly, none of us think he's necessarily wrong. The problem isn't that not enough young Americans get playing time in MLS.

    The problem is the lack of quality options other than MLS. The reserve division isn't up to snuff yet...........and I personally think the quality of play in the NASL/USL is dreadful. The NCAA's can only provide so much as well.

    MLS/USSF has really started to build it's U18 and U16 programs via the development academy. (many MLS clubs are investing greatly in pre-academy programs for kids younger than that as well) And MLS itself continues to get better and better. But we still have this developmental "dead zone" for kids 18-22 years of age. These are players like Moises Hernandez with FCD that are too old for the academy, but not good enough yet for the first team. We need the soccer equivalent of AA and AAA baseball.

    [And the USL/NASL as they currently exist ain't the answer. Dreadful.]
     
  21. Indiscretion

    Indiscretion Member

    Aug 6, 2007
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mexico forced teams in the FMF to play young players and look how much they have won in the past 2 years.....

    2011 Gold Cup title
    U-23 CONCACAF Championship
    U-20 CONCACAF Championship
    U-17 World Cup Championship
     
  22. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe USSF should force MLS to hire young coaches instead. :D
     
  23. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    The difference between Mexico and the US is they have a much more fully developed reserve and youth league structure. Having 2 youngsters on the gameday roster isn't what's important. (although that's nice). The big Mexican clubs have many youngsters all developing in their reserve teams, and they can promote one or two when they're ready.

    Chivas for example has their first team in the Primera, their reserve team Chivas Rayadas in the 2nd division, another Guadalajara reserve team that plays in the 4th tier, as well as U20 and U17 teams!!!

    No Chivas prospect is ever short of games............whether the FMF has some quota on young players in first division games or not.

    We just started our 10-game reserve league in 2011. We're going to slowly and steadily build up our reserve/youth programs. It's not going to happen overnight.
     
  24. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some teams refused to release players to the US U-23 team. Has Klinsmann considered that when MLS has the youth infrastructure and investment that Mexican and European teams have, it won't want to release players for the U-23 Olympics team either?
     
  25. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    SKC/STL
    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Perhaps I'm missing something (certainly wouldn't be the first time), but I seem to remember Klinsmann and others noting that young players need to challenge themselves and go to European teams where they have to fight every day for their place in the team. If young players aren't getting enough time in MLS, does that not mean that these players are indeed forced to fight for their spots in the team?

    MLS can't win.
     

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