July 8, 2011 Uruguay v Chile [R]

And you know what's even better? Jimenez had a good game. Good to see that we have quality creative midfielders in this team.

Medel played his heart out, but between Perez, Arevalo and Pereira he was overwhelmed.

Suazo shouldn't start again. He's not 100% and it shows.

I agree on Jimenez! He seems to have a nose for the ball, he seems to in the action all the time, and yes sadly I agree on Suazo, he just doesn't seem to have "it" right now.

So far, Elo Ratings got it right: they got Chile as #8 in the world, with 1883 points; while they have Uruguay as #11 with 1850.

A difference of 33 points predicts a tie, with Chilean dominance. Which is exactly what we saw.

FIFA has Chile at #27 and Uruguay at #18, further evidence that it is a flawed system.

Yo no soy el q tiro un llanto por lo de los threads. No te des tanta licencia, niña engreida...q yo cobro por nombrarme en posts

pero que colombiano mas conventillero este
siempre tratando de empezar lios donde no los hay LOL

si no le ganamos a Mexico no merecemos estar ahi, y seria un fracaso como ya te lo dije

Chile y Colombia mereciendo mas bla bla bla
lo de siempre papa, lo de siempre
los puntos no se merecen, los puntos se ganan

y en la segunda ronda empiezan todos igual, no importa con quien toque, para ganar la copa hay que ganarle a Brasil y Argentina como siempre, tarde o temprano

te noto un poco nervioso
que pasa?

creo que un poco de yoga te vendria bien...

NO TE hagas el loko

ahora cambias el cassete!? ahora mexico cuenta?

antes para vos era entre uruguay- argentina o brazil?

bajate de esa nube, que casi quedas sin pantalones hoy.....que uruguayo tan agrandado. APELAMOS A LA SINCERIDAD DE ESTE CUATE.

es que no lees vos?

que dije de nuevo?

para ganar la copa tenemos que ganarle a Brasil y Argentina

entonces para nosotros ahi empieza y si no llegamos a jugar con ellos es un fracaso

que hay de nuevo en eso?

5 frases, 6 con esta, leelas todas por favor antes de contestar

igual que cualquier equipo de conmebol, con aspiraciones a la final

paso a paso amigo

pero vos me decias que los rivales de grp no importaban, no respetaste ese asunto y querias a brazil o insinuabas que solo en finales estaria uruguay.

creo que hoy tenes que reemplantear eso..... tenes que salir vivo del grp, para tocar a los grandes

All in all a fair result for both teams, all things considered:

-both teams had very good chances (about the same amount in fact)
-both teams hit the crossbar
-both teams had an iffy Pk called waved off.

A very entertaining and electrifying affair for everyone, specially for the neutrals.

eso te lo inventaste todo vos, o tu complejo de inferioridad

vos me viniste a cargar por el empate contra Peru, y yo te dije - relax, que la copa todavia ni habia empezado
y que para nosotros empezaba cuando jugaramos con Argentina y Brasil
Y te lo digo otra vez

parece que para vos ya estamos afuera - Chile y Peru tienen 4 puntos porque le ganaron a Mexico, nosotros todavia no jugamos con Mexico, asi que veremos lo que pasa

chill, baby, chill

Did anyone not see this when Uruguay scored? Contreras run in the net to the goal line seeing that Ponce left his man to double team with Isla I thought Contreras should marked the man in the middle (which Ponce left to double team with Isla) instead of going to the line of the net......Jara has his man marked but was left with 2 options one stay with the man that he has because it may be a high cross option two mark the man in the middle where the two other defenders were at fault (which Ponce left to double to double team with Isla and Contreras standing at the line of the goal for a good a few seconds with the middle open in front of him........)

Se noto la falta de un creador hasta que entro Valdivia. Uruguay quitaba y cortaba bien en la mitad de la cancha, lo que trabo el partido. Un empate merecido para los dos, que habla de la capacidad de los 2 equipos. Este Uruguay y Chile pueden aguarle la tarde a cualquier equipo que esta jugando la copa america.

Partido entre Chile y Uruguay y el que arma quilombo es Colombiano.

Chile tuvo alguna situación más clara para anotar que Uruguay, sobretodo en los últimos 20 minutos (grande Muslera), pero de ahí a que dominó el partido... cada cual ve las cosas a su manera, pero para mi fue un partido parejo entre dos equipos con estilos de juego muy diferentes.

Tabárez otra vez se durmió con los cambios y diría que se equivocó, no creo que fuera el partido para poner a Lodeiro, o por lo menos no en el momento que lo puso con el partido 1-1 y con Chile atacando.

Amarilla un desastre como siempre. Al final con él perdimos los dos, nos amonesto a medio equipo de cara al ultimo partido del grupo.

Cavani esta descartado contra Mexico, probablemente va ir Abel Hernández de titular, aunque me gustaría que pusiera a el Loco Abreu.

Contreras' role is always to go to the line in situations like that, which is why he was able to get one off of the line in the first half.

Jara played the ball coming in horribly on the Uruguayan goal and its primarily his fault. Then it was Ponce, not Contreras, who messed up by leaving his man to double mark the dude with the ball....he was already being covered and could clearly only cross it in, Ponce left his man alone in the middle to do double team (which was a mistake)

mistakes, however, are part of the game and its good that at least the goals we've allowed are avoidable. We have, without a doubt, the best midfield in the tournament and with a little more 'finiquito' we should be alright

Yep, it was Ponce's mistake. Had an ok game overall, but he left Hernandez unmarked in that play by running at Suarez... at the end he was left inbetween both players with nothing to do.

Contreras was our best defender by far but he still makes mistakes like that in that play where he cleared the ball almost at the goal line... like I said, defensively we have to improve A LOT if we are going to attack like that every game.

Yo no responsabilizaría a Ponce: como líbero su obligación por libro es salir a cruzar en caso de que alguna marca falle. Isla debió haber reventado ese balón de un principio a la tribuna y a ver marcado con más ganas "por adentro" al que centró que fue Suárez.

Por consiguiente, Medel--volante defensivo--tendría que haberse metido dentro del área para cubrir la posición de Ponce. Si se fijan en el vídeo, Medel no hace nada en toda la jugada.

Bravo también debió haberse avispado y salir del arco antes.

Yo no responsabilizo a Ponce en el gol: Isla/Medel/Bravo en ese orden.

Tabarez no es un tecnico instintivo que te cambie el partido con un cambio, no sabe leer un partido en pleno juego(como Carrasco), el lo gana o lo pierde de entrada con su planificacion.
Por eso mi idea es mandarlo para arriba, de manager o coordinador de todas las selecciones, ahi es donde el brilla, y le damos a otro la seleccion mayor.
Lastima que Carrasco sea un tarado, es el mejor tecnico uruguayo que he visto, pero es un mongolico, no sabe tratar con nadie.
Entonces el proximo seria Diego Aguirre, a no ser que le robemos Markarian a los peruanos. lol

El Loco no es mala idea contra los mexicanos. Espero que el "servicio de informatica" ese que le proporciona todas las estatisticas a Tabarez incluya todos los goles que hizo el Loco en Mexico

Caceres no juega tampoco(doble amarilla)
Me imagino a Pereira ahi, Godin estara pronto?

Capaz que hace linea de 3 zagueros, y los Pereira de carrileros?
Perez y Arevalo al medio
yo lo pongo a Lodeiro atras de Forlan y Suarez

con la Joya y El Loco como alternativas, y bien temprano si no funciona

Markarián nunca va a dirigir a Uruguay. En determinado momento, allá por mediados de los 90, lo veto vos-sabes-quien, y unos años después creo recodar a Markarián decir que ya no le interesaba más dirigir a Uruguay.

Puede ser, aunque yo creo que Tabárez va a usar un planteamiento más parecido al que uso contra Peru. Para mi van Lugano, Coates y los Pereira en el fondo, Ruso, Arévalo y Cebolla o Lodeiro en el medio, Forlán, Suárez y Abel en ataque.

Abreu lo pido para aprovechar alguno de esos centros al área que mandamos siempre y nunca hay nadie para cabecear. Además el Loco tiene eso de que se las ingenia para siempre estar donde queda boyando una pelota pérdida y Mexico dio muchos rebotes contra Chile y Peru.

Godín no creo que llegue. Como extrañamos a Fucile, que nunca más se lesione...

(Long winded I apologize in advance)

Uruguay goal was almost offside if Jara had step up for a second. All 3 defenders were terrible (We can pinpoint every shot Uruguay made including the one that hit the crossbar who's man was that?) and all three should be held responbile which ever way you slice it but I see Jara as the scapegoat that unmarked man was miles away from him as he came in the box marking his man. Contreras needs to adjust to his role seeing an unmarked man he just ran by him (Ponce's man-right away during the game I said to myself why didn't Contreras stay with him?) and off he went to the line of the goal for the 3rd time, he could have prevented the receiving pass from the Uruguayan dude that beat the double team of Isla and Ponce. If Jara was on the same page as Contreras role was to be he should have run to the middle to cover (knowing Contreras role) that unmarked man, it sounds like they are having communication issues playing together at the back. Yes there were a couple of instances during the game where Contreras judgement was good when clearing the line, Contreras happen to be on the goal line three times in total what is going on back there? 3 men at the back need to cover 3 men attcking. Chile almost had an own goal (Medal I think) as well but Contreras cleared it on two of the three times he was at the goal line.

The three man defense need to get their game right and communication right to avoid the confusion that resulted in Uruguay's goal. Isla losing the ball in the box on a loose play may be the root cause but there were two man on Isla from that cough up while everyone else watched the play go on (It sure is easy to say). Yes the defense needs to improve and we have them they need to shout orders to each other when moving out of position or moving to mark another man.

I guess Bravo should have yelled at Contreras to get his ass to cover the middle man the ball had to have cross and the middle needs to be covered. Medal was really nowhere in the play but the right defensive side was vacant (Uruguay was coming down the middle)and as I recall its Contreras on the right Ponce in the middle and Jara on the left (unless there suppose to be 4 at the back at that time). All 3 need need to be held responible as all 3 were out of position and they seem to juggle positions at the back with their own plan seeing Isla at the back then seeing Medal at the back as a 4 man defense which I read in one of the posts above in this thread that during the game Chile looked they were play a 4 man defense on certain times.


Let's get it together we win together, we tie together and we lost together VAMOS CHILE!

We expect to win one game at a time but we cannot expect to keep a clean sheet at all times. Goals is what wins the game (everyone knows that) and we do have that offensive punch to make up for a goal against or two.

My general thoughts on the game:

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23842464&postcount=83

que noticiero usan o que portal www
para seguir la copa america?

me imagino que no es la vos de bobovision y fiore o huweva

yo estoy pegado a foxSport Central (notese que no es foxDeportes)

o este sector de noticias/cada una con video: carga rapido y hablan de todos
http://www.caracoltv.com/golcaracol

www.prensafutbol.cl
www.redgol.cl
www.latercera.com/deportes
www.terra.cl/deportes
www.cooperativa.cl

Y coincido contigo: Fox Sports Central es muy informativo.

La Tercera y Terra. En la radio, ADN tambien, muy buena (para los que pueden, esta Guarello y Sepulveda entre otros)