Japanese Abroad 2011/12 [R] - Part I

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  1. sc-f

    sc-f Member+

    May 23, 2009
    Club:
    SC Freiburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Same article, the sentence after.

    Edit: Interesting article though.
     
  2. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    The way you put it made it seem like he rejected a chance to play for Consadole in favor of playing in Europe.

    What I'm saying is that he wasn't good enough to play for their first team.

    If he wants to forgo Uni then fair play to him. It's a high risk-high reward option, but if that's what he wants to do then good luck to him.

    I always see Uni as the best option for those players who aren't good enough to play in the J-League after high school.
     
  3. sc-f

    sc-f Member+

    May 23, 2009
    Club:
    SC Freiburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I didn't know that he was not promoted to the first team.
    So he's trying to take the Ibusuki-road, who wasn't good enough also.
     
  4. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Of course J-League clubs aren't perfect, there are several prominent examples of good players who couldn't even make their local team's youth side.

    -Kagawa (Vissel)
    -Honda (Gamba)
    -Shunsuke (Marinos)
    -Nagatomo (Ehime)

    But I feel that, in general, the level of coaching is improving. I think that bigger barrier for Nakagawa is the position and play style that he has. There are so many midfielders in Japan that the competition must be incredibly fierce. You have to be an incredible player in order to stand out in this position within Japan and he maybe good by other nation's standards, but not good enough from Consadole's perspective.
     
  5. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Besides Sakai to Hannover I would extremely surprised if there was another one.

    No one really stands out at the moment.

    But one to look out for the future would probably be Toshiyuki Takagi for several reasons.
    1. He's young
    2. Doing well in the league
    3. His brother already plays in Europe
    4. He's not getting a look for the U-23's and may feel the need to move in order to get attention

    If you asked me who I would place a bet on it would be him. Maybe Genki Omae in second.
     
  6. sc-f

    sc-f Member+

    May 23, 2009
    Club:
    SC Freiburg
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Agree, Nakagawa is a rare species in Germany at this level while in Japan/at Consadole (as stated in your article) they have lots of players like that coming through their youth. He reminded me of Inui a bit.

    Still, his lack of height might be really a problem to land him a contract even at a U19 team.
     
  7. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Thanks. Yeah I was counting Sakai for being done so. Omae is interesting. Maybe a surprise move from nowhere?
     
  8. Blue-San

    Blue-San Member+

    Jun 21, 2011
    Club:
    Kashima Antlers
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    My opinion:


    in time:

    Genki Haraguchi
    Hiroki Yamada
    Yuji Ono
    Shuichi Gonda
    Manabu Saito
    Toshiyuki Takagi
    Kakitani (if he develops)

    Just to name a few. I see all of them playing in Europe
     
  9. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Honestly, if a player posses technics, broad field of vision etc, the dominating above all of countries in the world right now, German agents knows what's important. He could learn new things in a month at this stage of develompent.

    BTW, Samurai, you only mentioned the top-flight players. Those were exceptional and unrecognized talents. And many smaller ones are creating the league at the moment. Many of young players are promoted to senior teams because they are strong enough at the time. But after few years, when those weaker ones mature and even still being small (like Saito)...
     
  10. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    The German agents might like Japanese players, but its difficult to say the same for the teams.

    I think the overwhelming feeling is "Why should we develop this Japanese player when we can develop a German one?"

    From a footballing perspective it makes much more sense. With ever increasing "home-grown" rules and the added advantage that fans in general like the idea of youths developed by the club its really a no-brainer. Clubs want Japanese players that are ready for the first team not ones that they have to wait several years for.

    Of course, some players are not ready for the first team and still need several years of development, but how can you tell? Unless you have some kind of time machine it is difficult to know who will be good in the next 5 years and who will not be good. You can't really blame teams for cutting players who don't look up to standard at the time because it is much safer to promote someone who is doing well at the moment rather than someone who may have potential in the future.
     
  11. Saku²

    Saku² Member+

    Aug 22, 2009
    Club:
    FC Salzburg
    you know an agent told me the opposite, that clubs were looking for the next 18-20 y old star to have more years of control on him.
     
  12. ChaDuRi671

    ChaDuRi671 Member+

    Dec 30, 2010
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Daejeon Citizen had a friendly match this week against a Mexican Club team called "Club Atlas" and Baba assisted the first goal. The match ended 2-0 to Daejeon.

    Highlight:
     
  13. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Borussia Dortmund - Werder Bremen
    Hannover 96 (Sakai)- FC Schalke 04 (Uchida)
    Mönchengladbach (Otsu) - Hoffenheim (Usami)
    Stuttgart (Okazaki, Sakai) - Wolfsburg (Hasebe)
    Freiburg - Mainz
    Augsburg - Düsseldorf
    Hamburg - Nürnberg (Kiyotake)
    Frankfurt (Inui) - Leverkusen (Hosogai)
    Greuther Fürth - Bayern Munich

    They scheduled all the teams with Japanese players against each other in the first week (except Nuremberg because there's an odd number of teams) .
     
  14. karolb

    karolb Member

    Apr 16, 2008
    Germany
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    so no more live broadcast of every match of Dortmund in Japan now that Kagawa is gone :p probably Stuttgart will get most of the attention from now on
     
  15. SamuraiBlue2002

    SamuraiBlue2002 Member+

    Dec 20, 2008
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    [​IMG]

    Map of where all the players will be located next season.
     
  16. Blue-San

    Blue-San Member+

    Jun 21, 2011
    Club:
    Kashima Antlers
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Nice, thank you as always SB2002 ;)
     
  17. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

    U.C. Sampdoria
    Japan
    Oct 4, 2011
    Munich, Germany
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I still think someone else will come to Germany.
     
  18. Dax

    Dax Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 29, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Well, I'll stick with Frankfurt, Hoffenheim and Nurnberg mostly. :cool:
    Will watch Hannover's Sakai too to see how he starts.
     
  19. Blue-San

    Blue-San Member+

    Jun 21, 2011
    Club:
    Kashima Antlers
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Depending on the Olympics I think well it could be to second tier and Bochum since they are interested in Yamada and all. But Bundesliga I think Olympics could cause someone else to come to Bundesliga
     
  20. Dax

    Dax Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 29, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I would be surprised if at least another Japanese player doesn't go to the Eredivisie. (Apart from VVV I mean)
     
  21. ChaDuRi671

    ChaDuRi671 Member+

    Dec 30, 2010
    Club:
    FC Seoul
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    Baba assisted the first goal for Daejeon.

     
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  22. theofaron

    theofaron Member

    May 11, 2011
    Club:
    Gamba Osaka
    Out of those, I only see Sakai/Uchida and maybe Inui/Hosogai being on the pitch at the same time. I predict Hasebe and Otsu will not make an appearance. Bundesliga is almost like an honorary Japanese league at this point. Would've been even better if Kagawa stayed around for another year.

    Predictions on which Japanese player will be most successful in BL this season, both in personal performance and team's place on the table?

    Individual: Kiyotake or Inui
    Team: Stuttgart
    BL Champions: Dortmund :laugh:
     
  23. Whispered11

    Whispered11 Member+

    U.C. Sampdoria
    Japan
    Oct 4, 2011
    Munich, Germany
    Club:
    UC Sampdoria
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    BL Champions: Borussia
    Team: Hoffenheim
    Individual: Sakai
     
  24. Blue-San

    Blue-San Member+

    Jun 21, 2011
    Club:
    Kashima Antlers
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Individuals

    Usami, Kiyotake, Inui

    I have high expectatons lads
     
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  25. Majster2

    Majster2 Member+

    Apr 23, 2010
    Poland
    Club:
    Urawa RD
    Escudero scored for FC Seoul :)
     

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