J.League Revenues, Management, Economics, etc.

Discussion in 'Japanese Club Football' started by psveindhoven, Aug 3, 2011.

  1. fc koshigaya Member

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    Re: J. League revenues

    There is the World Baseball Classic which is like the World Cup......16 teams played in it. And they used to play it in the olympics

    I'm not saying that baseball is remotely as popular as soccer. What I'm saying is you underestimate how much people know about it.

    I brought up Honda because he probably is the most recognisable Japanese player in the world right now......and he's in a lesser league. Ichiro was recognized as the best in his sport and he's a transcendant figure. I think you underestimate his fame. He's got a Beckham like brand that's alot harder to do in soccer because there is so much competition.

    That's kind of the point I was getting at. I know a Japanese player is not considered as the best soccer player in the world or top 10, probabaly not top 50. top 100?
          
  2. goru_no_ura Moderator

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    Re: J. League revenues

    Nagatomo, Kagawa and Honda likely Top 100, maybe breaking into Top 50 this season...?

    Ichiro (I saw him in Kobe as a rookie and I have his autograph from 1994), is a fantastic player, very famous, but worldwide probably already less famous then the three above (thou he is more famous than Kazu, probably).

    And the trend is of course toward football... That is what I am saying.
  3. watanabe2k Member

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    So I do research on sport management, sports economics and finance and this thread is of great interest to me because I am currently working on a paper about J-League attendance.

    My results have found significant impacts on attendance of having an NPB team in the same city or prefecture, but the same region (such as Kanto) doesn't affect attendance. Also having a rival in the same town might not necessarily reduce attendance, but a rival in the same prefecture will hurt attendance for both teams (think Shimizu and Jubilo)

    The model I have created also shows that stadium capacity seems to be a significant limitation for some teams in regards to capping their attendance numbers.

    Finally, it would seem that competitive balance may be an important factor in bringing fans to the league. That is, if the teams are too spread out in terms of their dispersion of wins, then fans are less likely to attend games.

    I don't know if anyone cares, but I'll be updating with data from more recent years, re-running the model and submitting this to academic journals soon. I will let you know of the results when it is fully completed.
  4. goru_no_ura Moderator

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    I care A LOT, and wonder if you could, once over, concentrate it in a 900-word article for the masses...

    Also, can you figure out why Nagai stadium attracts so many more people than Kincho (aka Nagai 2) ?

    Thanks.
  5. watanabe2k Member

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    I'll try to get a summary written once I get the new data I need.

    My main issues right now is that my model only runs from 1993 through 2006 and I need to get it updated for journal submission.

    As for individual stadium effects, that would have to be something done separate, but that I could potentially do in the future.
  6. artml Member

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    Most likely, the reason is ticket categories. Kincho has just 1500 cheapest behind-the-goal seats, and on Nagai, where supply is plentiful, a lot of supporters used to occupy them. So people just can't (or don't want to) afford the more expensive main stand seats.

    Though, since the missed visitors are for the cheapest tickets, the club probably does not lose much in gross revenues.
  7. fc koshigaya Member

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    Look forward to reading your paper! Thanks for the info!
  8. CND_MARINO Member

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    Re: J. League revenues

    You need to escape the Japan bubble, you'd be lucky if anyone outside of Japan has heard of any three of those mentioned players, with the exception of the countries they play in.
  9. goru_no_ura Moderator

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    Re: J. League revenues

    If we are talking of football fans, I have MANY football friends in Europe, particularly in Italy.

    They all know those above and also ask me where are Tulio and Nakazawa.

    Japanese football is relatively famous in Italy, now, I for example do run a monthly 3-page article on the top Italian football magazine...

    If you mean non-football fans, they're still more likely to know Nagatomo over Ichiro, of course.
  10. SamuraiBlue2002 Member

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    Actually a lot of people know who Honda is outside of Japan and Russia because of the WC.

    They always mention his freekick against Denmark. I live in the US and my friends who only watch the EPL know who Honda is.
  11. watanabe2k Member

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    I have friends in America who even know Koro Koro PK!
  12. mattteo Member

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    Re: J. League revenues

    Which one?? Guerin Sportivo??
  13. goru_no_ura Moderator

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    Re: J. League revenues

    Nope, Calcio 2000, that sells more than GS, btw.
  14. mattteo Member

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    Re: J. League revenues

    Wow, congrats. I'll get a copy as soon as I find it. Glad they're still successful. I used to be an avid reader when I was a kid...always treated international soccer extensively.
  15. goru_no_ura Moderator

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  17. watanabe2k Member

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  19. fc koshigaya Member

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    I think those were 2010 numbers
  20. goru_no_ura Moderator

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    They are, indeed, from 2010 and if you sum the two things (that and this season) it is worrying.

    In all honesty, I don't see any magic influx of money coming in if the J.League doesn't open to a massive promotion of the league abroad that will also open the way to a serious sales of TV rights abroad.
  21. Majster2 Member

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    I wonder if there will be any club on plus in 2011...
  22. ceezmad Member+

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    Well I drive one, so I know who Honda is :D:D:D
  23. Vendo Thefastlane Member

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    Mito will, thanks to the charity of Takayuki Suzuki.
  24. Flaight Member

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    Wasn't it because they had anticipated all these reds and hitting the ceiling of economy even in early 2010 that they started to plan a few different directions like the intro of premier to try to remodel the revenue path? I wonder what they have on mind now after all this in 2011. Taking it abroad is a possibility but pretty limited right now unless it's some innovative net solution.
  25. goru_no_ura Moderator

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    I spoke with Nonomura of JAGS. He thinks the J.League really needs a Premier, and I agree with him.

    The top ten/twelve clubs should raise the standards and set the new level, all with new stadiums, some cool foreign player and hopefully some 30,000+ spectators per game.

    It is just a matter of investing well.

    How else would you improve the J.League?

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