why is it when mls teams win...its just a friendly..and 'the other team wasnt trying' but when mls teams lose its cuz they suck? man utd scoring 6 goals against the sounders reserves for example. or the mls all stars losing...lets be real you put a bunch of guys together and you cant make a team. thats why kc and chicago do better than the mls all stars. this is why i cheered for usa yesterday and anytime they play a team like england or a diving nation.
Friendlies shouldn't count either any team, win or lose. It's such a mismatch of players. Some teams field young reserves, some field starters. Many of the players are playing not to get hurt and trying new things out before their respective seasons start.
Fans are fans. If you are looking for rationality amongst fans, you are looking in the wrong place. Be happy with your own evaluation of events as they unfold.
There are certain people who made up their mind about MLS a long time ago. Their "objectivity" will forever be plagued by confirmation bias. No use in worrying about it.
im not sure what the arguments are here. They ARE just friendlies. that is why watching mexico lose doesn't bother me. it doesn't bother me watching the US win either, since every team is running through options they want to experiment. its just funny watching people spaz out over friendly results. there is a diffference between "glad to see the sounders clicking and playing well" and "klinnsman did well to prepare the team for away fixtures" vs. " OMG we beat italy! DONT TREAD ON US suck it mexico #usausausa" that is why i don't go to them. especially the Mexico games here in the US. nothing more than a cash grab to play on mexicans in the US.
The issue is the double standard, especially when it comes to the USMNT. USMNT gets beat by a "bigger" nation in a friendly = the US still isn't ready for the next level, has to catch up, doesn't have the skill, etc etc etc USMNT beats a "bigger" nation in a friendly = seriously guy, it was a friendly it doesn't mean squat. Goose/Gander and all that.
In the end we're all paying our hard-earned money to watch lavishly paid grown men kick a ball around. Relevance is relative.
Not all friendlies are equal. And international friendlies are definitely different than club friendlies.
that sounds more like an inferiority complex. it'd be easier to believe more us fans said "its just a friendly" over and over when they win.
this is called an initial reaction. its ok to enjoy your victories. otherwise usa can win the bloody world cup and the hardcores would just have to go meh as the vocal soccerphobes try to crush the story and sport. but u gotta follow the initial reaction with some rational thoughts. winning a friendly on italian soil is certain a step in the right direction and it means that if usa played italy 10 times on home soil they would probably do better than they wouldve done 3 years ago. or neutral soil.
this is called an initial reaction. its ok to enjoy your victories. otherwise usa can win the bloody world cup and the hardcores would just have to go meh as the vocal soccerphobes try to crush the story and sport. but u gotta follow the initial reaction with some rational thoughts. winning a friendly on italian soil is certain a step in the right direction and it means that if usa played italy 10 times on home soil they would probably do better than they wouldve done 3 years ago. or neutral soil.
Well, For the most part when a big team plays a small team in Club soccer it is a money grab or a glorified vacation. In Internationals it is different. The Dynamic is different, the history is different and the pride is different. Especially now that there are only a certain amount of FIFA days... ...the meaning of wearing your country's shirt is magnified and an honor. National Teams dont usually do the money grab thing as a priority. It is more as a bonding/chemistry thing, for pride and for gaining experience to win a World Cup or Euro or whatever. (I know there are exceptions to the rules but I am generally speaking.)
It's always like this, especially any club or international game involving , say , the US and Mexico. If any of our teams win, it's always because they played their "C" team, or it didn't matter because it was a friendly. If they win, it's because we suck, and they can feel better about their inferiority complex.
Call it what you will, but it happens. I personally don't give a crap what people think. That doesn't mean though that this approach isn't out there, because it is. While the Italian media took it serious as all hell ... they're pretty much the only ones that thought anything of it, at all.
Friendlies are meaningless at any level in any context unless there's some specific bad blood between the teams, when essentially it stops being "friendly". Even in international friendlies the manager will try different formations, different players and the key players rarely play the 90 minutes. Also players still hold back a little bit of that physical edge because nobody wants to be the guy that injures someone in a friendly. The only reason an international friendly seems significant is because the manager seems to stick closer to his preferred formation/lineup compared to a club friendly. Makes sense since they have limited time to have the team together. But those variables I mentioned before are still too significant for anyone to take the results at face value.
Because they know insecure, inferiority complex-laden MLS fans massively overrate and overhype friendlies, so it's just a way to wind them up. And it works every time. Chill out. ALL friendlies are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, unless you're a club accountant.
Indeed. Win or lose. Colorado doesn't have to press the panic button just because it lost to a Japanese 2nd Division club in a friendly.
I recently encountered tool who thought that MLS players were "amped" (his word) beyond all belief to play these midseason friendlies with what he perceives to be soccer royalty. I had to shatter the idiotic illusion by pointing out how many reserves players get time in these matches which rank below USOC play-in rounds in managers' eyes.
Funny you should say that cause..... This.. http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1114123&highlight=usa mexico gold cup final And this http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1114171&highlight=usa mexico gold cup final Are full of that C team nonsense.
lets be honest here, the ONLY group of fans that use "A", "B" , "C" teams as excuses are some of the US fans here on bigsoccer. i've never seen it with any other group.
If you want to see moving goalposts you should go over to the italy forum. inferiority complex, c team, don't tread, holy crap im glad i don't post on this psychiatric ward of a message board anymore.....
Well, you won't get that from Mexico fans. Mexico U-17 destroyed usa U-17 in a friendly last year, and no one was like "OMG our youth will dominate! For years and years! derp" like you currently see now in the us forum after Wednesday's youth friendly. No one made a big deal about it.
ahahha bull shite mexico is talkin about their precious golden generation and u17wc all the time. go check the youtube vid of mex beating braz
