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Discussion in 'UEFA and Europe' started by toronto_soccer, Dec 19, 2008.
There's no point responding to him.
You said that it's the "fans who are more demanding" that has given the EPL the edge and made them more consistent, which clearly is not the real reason. The fans pay for all this, but they can be as demanding as they like if you don't have some of the best managers in the game at the helm of your best clubs, spending money wisely, and given enough time to build strong, competitive teams, unlike their continental counterparts.
The fans on the continent aren't any less 'demanding'.
Yes but my first and main point was that english clubs are more consistent so this cycle will last a long time unless new rules are brought in, you know what i'm said before, i not debating with someone who doesn't admit when they're wrong, goodbye.
Haha.....you are hilarious zippy, I give you that. I just leave that uncommented, speaks for itself.
If i remember correctly we hade much more trouble against Sunderland than against ''Italy's best'' Haha!!
The only good Italian club is the english founded cricket and football club of Milan, AC MILAN.
How did you find out milan was founded by english people, i only just found that out and i support milan, you better not of been going through my posts.
I saw it on Wikipedia.
A lot of Italian sides took Influence from England, Like Juve adopting Notts County's Black & White stripes. Not sure what the point of mentioning stuff like this is though.
lol ok there little boy..
Yes, it would have severly affected last seasons finalists wouldn't it?
Seeing as you like stats do you think you could look into each of the English squads and give us the percentage of players from each country, thanks
Okay so you use last years team make up and I'll use this years. I don't feel like going through the numbers for last year but suffice it to say, this year, very few Englishmen will actually get to touch the Champions league trophy, regardless of who wins it.
Just curious, which English squads did you want a percentage for?
Or perhaps the challenge the top 4 EPL clubs experience from the rest of the league isn't really that hard? For four or five years the English league has the same four clubs at the top. This does not speak for the strength of the rest of the Premier League. Also in the UEFA Cup there is not much domination by English clubs. While the Top 4 clubs seem very strong, the rest of the league does not seem to be too outstanding.
We broke the top 4 a couple of years ago and made it to the Quarters of the UEFA. Us or Villa may even break it this year too, more than likely Villa.
i can't use the uefa cup to judge because, england, ital and spain don't play good teams and just play the reserves.
Again, that's a cheap excuse, and it's not true either. Just a reminder: A Spanish club named Sevilla won the UEFA Cup twice in a row in recent times.
Just because Aston Villa and Tottenham thought it was a great idea to field a reserve side in the knock-out stages of a competition they busted their arse off to qualify for the season before, it doesn't mean that others do also (and ironically, it didn't pay off for both clubs at all, but that was really beaten to death in another thread). Including EPL sides that is, Manchester City did not field a reserve side, for example.
And, it doesn't mean that they would be automatic contenders for the title if they would "take the competition seriously" and field their strongest team. They are not, they have everything to prove first before you can even try to imply something like that. As I wrote in another thread already, the last non-top 4 EPL club to win the UEFA Cup was Tottenham in 1984, 25 years ago.
The last EPL club to win the competition was Liverpool in 2001, and they sure as hell took it seriously, like every serious club with a winner mentality does. Great clubs try to win every competition they participate in.
I'd have loved to have won the UEFA Cup, and you can bet your arse we'll take it seriously next season.
EDIT: That's not say we didn't take it seriously this season, we just left ourselves too much to do in the 2nd leg against Liege.
I would rather one of our teams win the uefa cup this season than the champions league.
That's the spirit, I know why I always respected Everton.
Spanish clubs are awfull in the uefa cup now, 2 years in a row of no spanish teams in the quarter finals.
That's a very recent development. Just 2 years ago, in the 2006/07 season, Spain had three teams in the UEFA Cup semi finals. I should know, since we were the other team.
Sevilla eventually won the title for the second time in a row. Spain has actually been the most successful league in the UEFA Cup since 2000, winning the competition three times (Sevilla twice, and Valencia once).
I know i was just saying the other countries have caught up, spains depth is no longer better than other leagues, just like their top teams are no longer better than the top teams in other big leagues.
Ahh yes, be selective, afterall the shorter the timeframe the more it helps your argument doesn't it?
Can you give me Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea thanks
**anxiously awaiting the percentage tabulations**
I wonder what the percentages were for the Champions League final last season...Hmm?
Straw man alert!!!!
Chelsea and Manchester utd have a solid core of home players .They would have no hassle with any 6-5 rule (which will never happen anyway).
The current holders fielded 6 in the last final.
Inter Milan are on the road to their 4th straight Italian league title.
So in the last 4 years only 1 or 2 italians have actually won their own league.
And you sit there talking shit about foreigners. No Italian is currently involved in the champions league apart from Liverpool bench warmer Dossena.
You took a small sample of games and are spinning a very weak straw man argument to detract from the on field results. The least I would expect from canadian armchair fan who talks shit on behalf of a foreign nation.