LOL.....this thread never gets old. Did not realize that Israel should grant citizenship and representation in Knesset for everyone. Do Israelis get to vote on Gaza elections? Can they have a seat on whatever form of government they have in West Bank?
No, they don't, instead there soon won't even be a West Bank government when the "settlements" (which by all objective accounts are no better than the IDF simply kicking Arabs out of their homes at gunpoint and building new homes for Jews to move in) completely take over the area. And where do those Arabs go by the way? Well since they are without a home they flood into neighboring countries as refugees. If Israel wants any credibility on this issue it should return all (yes, all) of the land stolen by this "settlement" policy or allow those affected (or their estates) to accept fair market value for the property they have lost at gunpoint. It would be great for all parties involved: it would be a renunciation of the outright imperialist and racist values which would conceive of such a policy, it would lessen the refugee problem in the surrounding states, it would meet a major requirement for any credible peace in the area and it would add to Israel's "legitimacy" as a civilized state (that is not just my opinion but the opinion of the international community and prominent Israeli media like Haaretz as well).
The two-state solution is dead. Israel controls the West Bank via vast settlement enterprise, military checkpoints, airspace and water. The bantustans are not viable. Therefore the 2nd best option is for Israel to give citizenship to all Palestinians in West Bank, and for Israel to become a binational state. This is the only path that is left.
Something the Israelis seem to have learned from the Persians & Saudis: http://www.economist.com/news/middl...han-refugees-are-being-penalised-go-back-home "Iran with perhaps the largest urban refugee population in the world. More than 1m Afghans are registered as refugees ... another 1.5m-plus illegal Afghan migrants. ... government’s policies has prompted an exodus of Afghans ... ignored by the government, denied dignified work and often derided in the press ... marriages between illegal migrants and Iranians ... go unrecognised and ... illegal immigrants could not now qualify for refugee status. Children of an illegal immigrant have no legal status, barring them from education and health care. ... Hamid, a 43-year-old legal refugee, ... “They treat us very badly ... We can’t have mobile phones or cars and they make the paperwork more complicated and expensive every year.” Referring to illegal refugees, he says “everything is about money. The police look for their houses, steal savings and then deport them.”" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24888304 "Nearly a million Bangladeshis, Indians, Filipinos, Nepalis, Pakistanis and Yemenis are estimated to have left the country in the past three months."
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Re...raeli-hospital-to-Gaza-clinically-dead-332266 Curious if Haniyeh will send a thank you note to Israel...
Why would they? When you force people to live in abject conditions by controlling huge aspects of their lives, like where they can go and what they can buy and whether they can fish or trade, then you don't get a thank you when you provide basic things needed for survival. It's actually the duty of an occupying power to provide these under the Geneva Conventions. It's not a freebie done out of the goodness of their hearts. And they generally deny people the ability to travel outside Gaza to get help, as well as denying entry to many medical delegations and equipment. http://electronicintifada.net/conte...assacre-denied-medical-treatment-israel/12161 Hamas gave Gilad Shalit plenty of free food and water and accommodation but he never said thank you either.
They could just keep doing what they are doing, no one seems to care enough to ever question it. What makes this topic ridiculous is it's either or. Israel is either evil. (No I do think it should exist, and think a democracy in the middle east is a good thing) Or it's perfect. A nation of Ubermensch, the purest, greatest society ever created on this earth.
http://nypost.com/2013/11/29/israel-court-fines-woman-over-not-circumcising-son/ "It is for the welfare of a Jewish child in Israel not to be different from his peers in this matter" Perhaps the mother should argue that she didn't want her baby's penis sucked by a mohel who might have herpes, or question under what circumstances an inspection of the tip of his dick would occur.
lol I kinda laugh when I see this video. They look so completely dishonest and full of s.hit when honoring Nelson mandela, considering the fact that Israel was the staunchest supporter of the White Afrikaaner regime in apartheid South Africa.. They must also be a little nervous, considering they are next. lol
Mandela explicitly referred to israeli policies as being a form of apartheid, and called israel "a terrorist state". Its the height of hypocrisy for israeli leaders to try and hijack his legacy and send condolences and write tributes.
If you follow the judicial system in Israel you will see there is discrimination against Palestinians, and if you further consider the 1967 Occupied Territories you will find there are already two judicial systems in operation that represent two different approaches to human life: one for Palestinian life and the other for Jewish life. Additionally there are two different approaches to property and to land. Palestinian property is not recognized as private property because it can be confiscated. As to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, there is an additional factor. The so-called “Palestinian autonomous areas” are Bantustans. These are restricted entities within the power structure of the Israeli Apartheid system. The Palestinian state cannot be the by-product of the Jewish state, just in order to keep the Jewish purity of Israel. Israel‘s racial discrimination is daily life of most Palestinians. Since Israel is a Jewish state, Israeli Jews are able to accrue special rights which non-Jews cannot do. Palestinian Arabs have no place in a “Jewish” state. Apartheid is a crime against humanity. Israel has deprived millions of Palestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of gross racial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically incarcerated and tortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules of international law. It has, in particular, waged a war against a civilian population, in particular children. The responses made by South Africa to human rights abuses emanating from the removal policies and Apartheid policies respectively, shed light on what Israeli society must necessarily go through before one can speak of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East and an end to its Apartheid policies.
I am a pessimist. There is no chance of this resolved peacefully through negotiations. Two-state solution does not exist and never will. The "peace process" is one of the greatest scams in modern diplomatic history. Palestinians have one view, and Israelis another. Their differences are irreconcilable. So what has to happen or is pretty much inevitable is that Israel/Palestine will go through a violent, and I mean violent, civil war. Im talking about new Intifadas, but potentially more violent and much harder to contain, and where there would be less time between each. Which will continue until the political landscape changes and power balance is not one of assymetry, like it is now, where Israel is the beneficiary of such assymetry. Frankly its going to be an extremely violent and bloody affair...
I think the two state solution has been strangled by the israeli annexations of Palestinian land. I'm now in favour of a one-state solution where all the inhabitants get an equal say in how they are governed, with equal rights and protections for all. We're at the stage now where the israelis haven't found their FW De Clerk, the Gazans haven't found their Mandela, and the West Bank are playing the role of the Inkatha Freedom Party. The parallels aren't perfect, of course, but there are plenty of similarities.
Having a Wahhabist, and a Hamas lover at that, talking about Israel as an apartheid state is friggin hilarious.
Mandela himself was not a Wahhabist or a Hamas lover, yet he knew israel to be an apartheid state. And he knew a racist regime when he saw one. Mandela was opposing israel's colonialist regime whilst israel was busy helping the Apartheid regime in South Africa to get nuclear weapons.
It's probably a good year, when this thread doesn't reach 2,500 posts. http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/24/world/meast/israel-gaza-violence/ Misdirection: Gazan sniper kills Israeli, who turns out to be Muslim, IDF kills Gazan child. Distraction: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/29/world/meast/israel-rockets/index.html?hpt=imi_c2 At this point, Israel is the least of Lebanon's problems. Let there be peace in the Holy Land, in the New Year.
I think it's just a matter of boredom, tbh. Nothing changes because international law is scuppered by the Americans. Having said that it seems that Israel has declared Europe illegal so that's kinda new I suppose
We, Jake?? Have you gone kosher and not told us? D If you're referring to 'we' meaning the yanks it seems congratulations are in order. Y'know, coz you're doing such a bang-up job of it... LOL
The bigger the mess, the longer the clean-up. In world politics, the UK has left more sludge than a BP oil spill! Happy New Year! Did you make the Honours List?
Don't underplay yourself... you fellas are coming up fast on the outside... AND you've done it in about half the time I'm thinking, RESULT! Must have got lost in the, (newly privatised), post. Either that or the royals have been reading my posts on here and are holding a childish grudge. Probably the latter!