Please understand that i am in no way trying to insult you with the following. this is practical urgency.............(this is..........reality)................................................this is optimism this is defeat................................(this is....... survival).....................................................this is defeat -----------------------------------------------^i am here-----------------------------^you are here The only disproportionate response is that you believe peace will be achieved with pre67 borders where the locality has been rigged into a cycle of bouts which determine the regional war. And another is to say that civilian deaths should completely foreshadow careful thought as to how an organization is trying to subdue you. It is also why i didn't list civilian deaths as one of the objectives as i didn't want to add fuel, or should i say chowder to the pukefest this board is. A win doesn't justify civilian deaths, but as long as we humans live together there will always be civilians deaths no matter how many moral intellects preach their Utopian fantasies. ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE IDEOLOGY OTHER BELLIGERENT. And im not sure if the "they started it" argument was directed at me, but i have long stated that very argument is counterproductive.
lol at these IDF apologists saying israel won with no basis whatsoever. the aim of the rockets fired by hamas were aimed at terrorizing the israel population, so the IDF would stop killing palestinian civilians. I think they reached that aim, the israeli population was scared shitless regardless of the iron dome. that defense system did not bring that sense of security that the israeli civilians wanted. in the end, israel was forced into a cease fire even thou they were the ones doing most of the killing of innocent people, so obviously hamas weapons gave them motivation to stop the massacre. so with that in mind, hamas got what they wanted, not only that, but they were able to unify the different factions after this hamas victory. but this was not a victory for hamas, it was a victory to the palestinian people. Palestine won
Isn't the whole argumen for Israel void because that country shouldn't even exist? How can you take someone's land then persecute them for over 60 years and still have the moral high ground? These attacks have made both sides look bad imo but I'm glad more people are being educated on what Israel is doin and has been for decades. What is wrong g with assimilating into a western world? Even after ww2....just because a story book talks about a holy land. Israel is persecuting Palestinians making the whole creation of the country off the back of the holocaust laughable
You're a despicable human being. I hope you live in some dark hole and never ever ever speak to another human. I only wish for you to live as you so eloquently put "scared shitless", I really do.
lol at these Hamas apologists saying Palestine won with no basis whatsoever. the aim of the rockets fired by Israel were aimed at terrorizing the Palestine population, so the Hamas would stop killing Israeli civilians. I think they reached that aim, the Palestinian population was scared shitless regardless of the rockets fired by Hamas. Those excuses for humans did not bring that sense of security that the Palestinian civilians wanted. in the end, Palestine was forced into a cease fire even thou they were the ones doing most of the killing of innocent people, so obviously Israel weapons gave them motivation to stop the massacre. so with that in mind, Israel got what they wanted, not only that, but they were able to unify the different parties after this Israel victory. but this was not a victory for Israel, it was a victory to the Israeli people and humanity in general. Israel won
This is absurd. Posts like these just shows how some hardline Israelis have no interest in peace unless it comes through the total submission of Palestinians. You're more interested in wielding your military superiority in order to protect the status quo. You're definitely not interested in empowering the Palestinians who live without rights, without freedoms, without economic opportunities and with no hope for the future. It's easier for you to blame Hamas. It's always easier to justify your country's oppression by focusing on the ugliest characteristics of your victim. By dehumanizing them it makes it easier to protect the status quo. You can blame Palestinians all you want for all the problems, but any fool with even minimal common sense can figure out that they never asked for any of the things that have happened to them in the last 64 years. They didn't ask for the creation of Israel. They didn't ask for US tax payers to subsidize Israel's military to become the strongest in the region. They didn't ask for settlements. They didn't ask to become the poorest Arabs in the region. That fate was created for them, and now we wonder why they resist violently. How can Israel claim victory when each new generation of Palestinians becomes more radical and desperate. By creating 150 martyrs today you plant the seed for 1000 martyrs tomorrow. Unless of course Israel doesn't care about peace and the wellbeing of Palestinians. In that case sure you can claim that they won. But then don't try to claim the moral high groud.
The same as Southern Ireland refused to accept the right of the protestants in the North of Ireland's 'right to exist' and called for a 'United Ireland'? Actually, you sound exactly the same as the protestants. First of all they said they wouldn't talk to the IRA/Sinn Fein because they 'Hadn't stopped bombings and shootings'... so they did. Then they said they wouldn't talk to them because they, 'Hadn't accepted they wouldn't start bombing and shooting again if they hadn't got their way'... so they made statements saying they had abandoned violence and would work solely by political means to accept their aims. Then they said they wouldn't negotiate because they, 'Hadn't irrevocably given up their arms and decommissioned them'... so they did THAT! At EVERY step there was always some bullshit reason why the protestants wouldn't start meaningful negotiations, some minor step the IRA had to do, some hoop they had to jump through. That's what I meant when I said there were parallels here. The truth is the Israelis don't seem to WANT to have meaningful negotiations because then they'd have start thinking about giving back the land they stole in '67. Viewed entirely dispassionately from outside it's obvious they're not really interested in settling the matter and being fair because then they'd have to face up to the consequences of their actions, the same as the protestants had to. The difference being that the protestants had the British forcing them to accept a reasonable proposal, the Israelis have the Americans actually SUPPORTING them in whatever counterproductive lunacy they wish to carry out... THAT'S the difference!
Repped ... This is the conflict in a nutshell. Israelis don't seem to want peace because there's very little benefit in it for them. This policy position would be unsustainable without American support.
Here's what's gonna happen. Either the israelis will come round to the idea that they need to accept principles of justice and withdraw from the occupied territories (yes Moishe, that means pre-67 borders with mutually agreed land swaps) and compensate their victims who they forced from their lands. Or they will go the way of South Africa in recent times, or the Kingdom of Acre in the days of yore. israel only exists because they could force indigenous people out of their lands and also import foreign Jews to manufacture a demographic change in the region. That artificial demographic make-up won't last forever. Either they find a way to make a just peace in the next generation or two, or israel will have to cast off its veil of self-proclaimed democratic values and overtly become what it has covertly been all along. At which point not even the US will be able to continue supporting it.
Or the rest of the Arab world will stop living in the 12th century and recognize Israel as a legit state. And Israel will never go back to pre-67 borders until that happens and even then, those borders will be drastically different. How the feck can you steal land in a defensive war? Laughable.
'67 was an israeli sneak attack, unless you think '73 was an Arab defensive war? Arabs have already offered to accept israel on the basis of 67 borders and a just settlement of the refugee issue. It's been offered in 2002 in Beirut by the Arab League, re-iterated in Riyadh in 2007. What are the israelis waiting for? If they want recognition I'm pretty sure they know where the phone is. The truth is they want to continue the occupation because they covet Palestinian lands.
Israel gave Sinai back bc Egypt (officialy) recognized Israel. Maybe the rest of the Arab world cam get a clue and do the same. But no, it's a lot easier to have Israel to lay all the blame on for their shitty internal conditions and look with fierce envy at the only country in ME who is prosperous and who actually provides benefit to the resy of the civilized world. And all of you, naive fools, who feel sympathy for Palestinians are so clueless to how Palestinians are just pawns for their muslim brothers. Of course it is easier to blame the one country who can actually be proud of the things they have accplished. Haters gonna hate.