Israel/Palestine in the News, Part III

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  1. Real Corona

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    I think that once you give the Palestinians the chance to see what life is like not fighting a war day in and day out, and they get a fair deal in the West Bank, the concept of violent resistance will hold even little appeal to them and Hamas will eventually either have to change or will lose it's popularity.

    I don't think Fatah would sacrifice the chance to get a Palestinian state, I think they are desperate at this point for anything, by attacking Israel in the future. That would just risk a reoccupation, which frankly would be justified if they were stupid enough to do that.

    Now there might be small incidents where splinter groups try to derail the process, probably one both sides. Someone trying to provoke the other to do something stupid. Either Israeli settlers resisting or radical Palestinian groups continuing their terror attacks. so it would be crucial that Fatah would work with the Israelis whenever an incident occurred to mollify Israeli concerns. Whether that is cooperating with an investigation, extraditing perpetrators of violence etc. From what I've seen from afar, I think Fatah and Israel have done a decent job of cooperating considering the circumstances and I certainly think they'd make it work if they had something to lose.
     
  2. Iranianfootie

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    I still don't understand the structure of the Israeli government. Yea, by politically, I meant its allies will start to abandon her (not the US but a lot of European states) as well as India. India is a rising power and thus it is going to have increasing energy needs. This will cause it to form stronger relationships with countries with natural gas and oil (Russia/Iran) and given the significant Muslim population, there will also be more pressure for India to push a New Dehli policy and not a Washington policy re: the Middle East. Therefore, a stable Middle East is in Israel's best interests. A destabilized Middle East (such as now) is Israel's worst nightmare given its isolation by governments and people in the region.

    I don't know how you can have a peace with the Palestinians when the Palestinians aren't even united. I think the prospects for peace were much greater in the 1990s.
     
  3. odessit19

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    http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=213848

    Barak confirms: 'Iron Dome' to be deployed within days

    hope it helps.
     
  4. Real Corona

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  5. Umar

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    I assume they are like Patriot missiles - a barrage of missile interceptors fired at any incoming missiles.
     
  6. Real Corona

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    Thanks
     
  7. odessit19

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    can actually destroy kassams before they reach their destination and can provide a shield from short-range rockets.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dome
     
  8. Real Corona

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    So it is like patriot missiles essentially.
     
  9. ZIAD

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    supposedly different in that it can destroy less sophisticated tragectiles like kassam and katushas.
     
  11. Real Corona

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    My knowledge of weapon system is about the level of, "it's a missile intercepter." Haha
     
  12. JBigjake

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    If true, will anyone apologize for all the rhetoric & the abuse of the Palestinians in the nearby villages (all men arrested - some physically abused, houses raided & vandalized, etc., & that's just by the govt.!)?
     
  13. ZIAD

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    I believe that is a rhetorical question. They used this incident effectively in the media against the Palestinians. It just shows what this current government is all about.
     
  14. yasik19

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  16. Real Corona

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    Yeah that is not really the best way to explain a source as legitimate.
     
  17. ZIAD

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    In that case lets delegitimize Israeli sources as well.
     
  18. Real Corona

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    If there was a widely reported incident where say, Israeli soldiers killed some Palestinian family, and the only place that said it wasn't them was some Israeli site, I wouldn't believe them either.
     
  19. Umar

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    I don't think the linked by Zaid story is reliable at this stage, but nor are the all the other reports suggesting it was a Palestinian. There is no evidence at all that this was done by a Palestinian. It's simply an assumption by everyone.

    Now, the assumption may well be correct, but to suggest that it was a Palestinian unless someone comes up with a reputable source to disprove that assumption is not usually how it works.

    EDIT: In-depth review from Al-Jazeera about the situation faced by israelis involved in the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement.
    http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/03/2011318171822514245.html
     
  20. odessit19

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    To assume otherwise is naive at best, but credibility of such websites is a pure joke.
    As to your other link, it pains me to see Israelis boycotting their own countrymen's products. Again, it's the Jews who try to feel guilty for everyone else. Pathetic...
     
  21. Real Corona

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    I don't see why people in a supposedly free country aren't allowed to protest against actions that they feel are unjust. If Americans feel the Iraqi invasion was a bad idea, they are allowed to do something about it. Blindly following one ideology is dangerous.
     
  22. odessit19

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    I never said they are not allowed to do so. Fortunately they can, but I believe it's wrong and that guilty consciousness won't bring them any more peace and doing or believing THAT, as you claim, is dangerous.
     
  23. soccermilitant

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    as american i take the third option. I dont care either way. They both can go off the face of the earth for all i care.
     
    Salazar repped this.
  24. odessit19

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    And as an American you are free to speak your mind. And as an American I can tell you many things, but I won't, because it would be a waste of my time to do so on people in your IQ bracket.
     
  25. JBigjake

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    You're probably right, but anything is possible.
    Obviously, not much has been released in any media, but I recall a mention og footprints in the mud leading to a Palestinian village. Of course, that could be misinformation as well.
    Here's a subsequent report from another source:
    http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8469618-itamar-massacrethai-workers-rounded-up-in-itamar
    Other reports have indicated that another home was targeted first:
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4041701,00.html
    To some, others apparently share moral responsibility as well:
    http://www.forward.com/articles/136249/
    http://www.forward.com/articles/136252/
     

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