Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent

It's a semantic argument. Some define Jewishness as adherence to a set of religious values, including a belief in God. Others define it as having been born to a Jewish mother, so ethnicity more than religion. Those subscribing to the latter POV would call Jesus a Jew.

 

Fair enough- one down, one to go.

 

Some Russian Jews in Israel are criminals. Some claimed to be Jews but weren't. So what? The majority of Russian Jews in Israel are perfectly good citizens. So what is the problem that we're referring to? That some immigrants have done bad things? Oh noes!
As for my "personal ties to Russia" - roflmfao. Yeah, I'm a big defender of that place!

Where have I defended this action? Go ahead, find a single post where I've done that. Any sentence, anything. Rather than accusing me of something read my posts first.

 

Some Russian Jews in Israel are criminals. Some claimed to be Jews but weren't. So what? The majority of Russian Jews in Israel are perfectly good citizens. So what is the problem that we're referring to? That some immigrants have done bad things? Oh noes!
As for my "personal ties to Russia" - roflmfao. Yeah, I'm a big defender of that place!

Where have I defended this action? Go ahead, find a single post where I've done that. Any sentence, anything. Rather than accusing me of something read my posts first.

 

ROFL. I love your tapdancing. All Israeli Zionists are Jews!

If they weren't accepted as Jewish, they wouldn't be in Israel.

Seriously, 3000 years of human history disagrees with you, but who are we to argue with your mighty ignorance?

Whether Israel has a problem with racism (it does) has nothing to do with this question.

A stupid answer since we're not an explicitly Christian country. But, then again, no Jew here has been disputing that the action in question was morally reprehensible.

A "non-ethnic" Jew - a rather curious term.

 

It isn't a "semantic" argument, since you don't understand what "semantic" means. You're also wrong on the differences between the two situations, but then again, you don't seem to know a lot about the subject at all.
Incidentally, there's no other way to view Jesus than as a Jew whose followers took Judaism in a different direction. But good example!

 

It's pretty clear they face a great deal of racism, but Ethiopian Jews are considered "fully Jewish" by most other Jews. I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of extremist groups saying that they're not real Jews for some made up reason or another. But Israel started actively making efforts to bring Ethiopian Jews to Israel some time in the 70s. I'm sure there are people who know more about the history of it than I do. What I recall is that, as a teen, I bought a "liberate Ethiopian Jewry" bracelet from a nonprofit dedicated to repatriating Jews from Ethiopia to Israel. They are not an unwanted immigrant group, by any stretch. The Israeli government and various organizations have lobbied for decades to bring them into the country. (Again, not to say there isn't a lot of racism, or that there aren't certain elements who object to Ethiopian immigration.)

 

Not all Zionists are Jews, and not all Jews are Zionists. These Zionists happened to be israeli. They also happened to be Jews but they didn't do it because they were Jews.

What is it called when people use the same term ("Jew") to mean different things (one views the term to denote religious affiliation and the other uses it to denote ethnicity), and then proceed to make differing assertions based on that? I think you'll find it's a semantic dispute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_dispute

Now, stop being a complete and utter cunt - it's not helpful.

 

But it is an ethnicity. It's an ethnicity and a religion. You can't quit being Jewish. You're born Jewish. Umar is mistaken. It has nothing to do with how you define "Jewish" or "Judaism." These are not separate definitions. The Jews consider themselves both a religion and a nation. A person born to Chinese parents doesn't stop being Chinese just because she grows up swallowing more Coca Cola than sorrows. Similarly, a person born to Jewish parents (or even one Jewish parent) never stops being Jewish.

Most people don't have trouble grasping this.

 

Seems I read you say you were born in or spent significant time in Russia. You didn't, you didn't.

No one said a word about your defending anything. Read MY posts again.

I used the word "fully" as an entry into "Well, why the ******** are they being prevented from procreating?"

It may well be, I don't know. That's part of what I'm trying to find out.

 

Says you.

I know a former Jew who converted to Islam. He doesn't consider himself to be a Jew. He also doesn't consider himself to have been born a Jew - he considers himself to have been born a Muslim.

Who are you to tell him he is a Jew?

 

Can you become Jewish with no previous Jewish ancestors?

 

A person born in Ireland could move to Italy and become a citizen there. He could then claim to be Italian and insist he's Italian and even say he was born Italian, if that's how he feels. And that's fine! People should self-identify however they want. I would gladly call that person Italian, if that's what he considers himself. But most of the world would say he's still also Irish.

 

Doesn't it simply mean someone whose ancestors adopted the Jewish faith at some point in the past rather than being born into it? I'm talking about during the past few hundred years, obviously.

It relates to this issue because, by the looks of it, (from these actions), some people are thinking that, while all Jews are equal, some are a little more equal than others. Isn't that sort of the point?