Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent

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  1. Matt in the Hat

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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...opian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

    "Israel has admitted for the first time that it has been giving Ethiopian Jewish immigrants birth-control injections, often without their knowledge or consent. The government had previously denied the practice but the Israeli Health Ministry’s director-general has now ordered gynaecologists to stop administering the drugs. According a report in Haaretz, suspicions were first raised by an investigative journalist, Gal Gabbay, who interviewed more than 30 women from Ethiopia in an attempt to discover why birth rates in the community had fallen dramatically. One of the Ethiopian women who was interviewed is quoted as saying: “They [medical staff] told us they are inoculations. We took it every three months. We said we didn’t want to.” It is alleged that some of the women were forced or coerced to take the drug while in transit camps in Ethiopia. The drug in question is thought to be Depo-Provera, which is injected every three months and is considered to be a highly effective, long-lasting contraceptive. Nearly 100,000 Ethiopian Jews have moved to Israel under the Law of Return since the 1980s, but their Jewishness has been questioned by some rabbis. Last year, the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who also holds the health portfolio, warned that illegal immigrants from Africa “threaten our existence as a Jewish and democratic state”.

    This is absolutely sick and indefensible.
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  2. Umar

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    ...and not at all surprising. They have been in the ethnic cleansing business for decades. Their ethnocratic state could not have been formed and cannot continue to exist without executing strategies to alter the demographic make-up of the area.
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    Black Israelites' heads are exploding all over Times Square
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  4. Q*bert Jones III

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    ******** Netanyahu.

    ******** him for being an asshole. ******** him for being a racist. ******** him for embarrassing, humiliating, and bringing disrepute to an entire nation. I hope he dies in his sleep. Tonight.
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    So for the record: European Jews good, African Jews bad. Nothing racist about that, nooooo.
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  6. Caesar

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    The depressing part is that this isn't even surprising.
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    This is so disgusting it's almost incomprehensible. But it's not too different from some legislation that's been proposed in the USA. It's just the other side of the "pro-life" coin. You want government to be powerful enough to force women to give birth against their will? Well that government is also going to be powerful enough to force women to take birth control (or get abortions) against their will.

    The state has no rightful role in determining if, how or when a woman gets pregnant or gives birth. The sooner we can all acknowledge that, the closer to an equitable society we'll be.
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    That's a false equivalency, and it does a disservice to this issue.
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    Every time Israel does something horrible like this, it just makes Mel Gibson look slightly less crazy. They're pissing me off for that reason alone.
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    Absolutely 100% spot on, Demo.
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    It's not remotely spot on. There is a fundamental difference between denying someone access to an abortion, and denying them the ability to reproduce altogether (without their knowledge, no less).

    I'm completely pro-choice, but it's stupid and borderline offensive that Demo is trying to draw some idiotic parallel between the two to make a political point.

    What is being done to these women is so far beyond the simple banning of abortion that it's not funny.
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    I'm afraid I also do not see a fundamental difference; can you explain a little what we're missing?
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    Even if you are completely pro choice, you can at least understand the point of view that the other side thinks they are protecting an innocent unborn life even if you disagree about which concern is paramount. There's no possible understanding of sterilizing women who have no idea thats what is being done to them. They ARE NOT comparable.
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    Apparently this began while Sharon was PM and ran through the time Olmert was PM.
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    Then I stand by my earlier wish and add Olmert's name to it. Sharon, well, he can just carry on. I haven't been able to get this horrific story out of my head.
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    So the fact that they weren't informed is "fundamental" in your opinion?
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    No - Mel is still nuttier than an almond. But the crew that committed this sick crime against Ethiopians is even sicker.

    As someone in the original article wrote - "Israel now practices eugenics"
  18. Caesar

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    Relatively speaking, even women with no access to abortion still have quite a large degree of control over their reproductive choices. By and large they able to decide whether they have sex, and whether or not they uses protection. And at the end of the day, if they do end up with a baby they don't want, they still have the option to give it up for adoption.

    Yes, I know - this is grossly insufficient. I agree, I am pro-choice. But nonetheless, some options still exist.

    On the other hand these women have no choice. None at all, at any stage in the process.

    The correct corollary to this situation wouldn't be denying women access to abortions. It would be if the government actually went around forcibly impregnating women against their will and without their knowledge, and THEN denied them access to abortions. i.e. about a thousand times worse.

    It is disgusting, revolting and inhumane. Using it to make a roundabout political point about abortion legislation in the USA is borderline offensive in the degree that it downplays the violation of these women's human rights.
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    It's time to let these people fight their own battles in the ME.
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    I think a lot of reasonable people are beginning to lean a little bit in this direction. You can't take allies for granted because you think you have the government in your pocket.
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    So this is weird. I looked on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and BBC news websites, and NONE of them have any articles on the Israeli Ethiopian Jew birth control story.

    I can only think of two reasons why that might be the case. Well, ok, three reasons. The third reason is that the "search" function on their website is non-functional. On all four websites. That seems unlikely.

    Thoughts?
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  22. Chris M.

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    Same thoughts I always have. Our media sucks and will eventually bring us down. If no one hands them a press release that they can "report" then forget it. They are too busy talking about the 2016 presidential campaign.
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    The sad thing is that "incompetence" is actually the preferable to the other possible reasons that the large media outlets aren't covering the story.
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    Do you have a link? From the one provided from Matt, it sounds as if the government is just stopping this now.
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    From the article:

    Nearly 100,000 Ethiopian Jews have moved to Israel under the Law of Return since the 1980s, but their Jewishness has been questioned by some rabbis. Last year, the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who also holds the health portfolio, warned that illegal immigrants from Africa “threaten our existence as a Jewish and democratic state”.

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