Is San Antonio a contender?

Discussion in 'MLS: Expansion' started by Revolt, Apr 22, 2012.

  1. aetraxx7

    aetraxx7 Member+

    Jun 25, 2005
    Des Moines, IA
    Club:
    Des Moines Menace
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, NYCFC was announced as an expansion city and others were not. My point was that though Garber makes the announcement, he does not make the decision. It is made by the board of governors/directors based upon the recommendation of an expansion committee, just like in any sport.
    Context is key
     
  2. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, context is ... and Garber wanted NY2, which was the point of my comment.
     
  3. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Garber wasn't the only one that wanted NY2. NY2 was in the plans for MLS ever since it was created.
     
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  4. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Indeed, put it'd be dishonest to try and pretend like Garber wasn't pushing and it wasn't on Garber's time line.
     
  5. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Out of all league issues, though, expansion is the most likely of the bunch to only happen with collective ownership enthusiasm. We can't really know if Garber was out in front of the owners on the idea, but we can know that the expansion wouldn't happen unless they were thoroughly convinced.

    Anyway, NY2 is a somewhat special bird. The reasons behind it are about league-wide strategy, and are not the same calculations that go into most expansion choices.
     
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  6. Tigereye

    Tigereye Member+

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    Aug 19, 2005
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    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    So ....1 spot left. (Unless Garber changes course again)

    San Antonio or Minnesota?
     
  7. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Minnesota might have one of the strongest ownership groups ever. It's almost Yankees/ManCity strong. Scorps would have to upgrade their ownership significantly to beat out MNN, regardless of superior stadium situation.
     
  8. antnee7898

    antnee7898 Member

    Oct 19, 2007
    South Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you speaking of Twins/Minn United?
     
  9. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. Plus in Minnesota we actually have another billionaire group (Vikings) essentially fighting for MLS. Perfect situation for MLS.
     
  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is Wilf really fighting for it, or was it just a line of goods he sold to get funding for the stadium? I got the feeling it was more the latter.
     
  11. Zxcv

    Zxcv Member+

    Feb 22, 2012
    With Minn, SanAn, Sac, Indy all moving forward, I suspect that 24 is going to turn into 26 very quickly. It seems probable that by 2025, there will be 28 teams in the league.
     
  12. antnee7898

    antnee7898 Member

    Oct 19, 2007
    South Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't like that the Vikings will put the team in the football stadium, I dont like that Atlanta will be in the falcons stadium.
     
  13. antnee7898

    antnee7898 Member

    Oct 19, 2007
    South Houston, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think SA NEEDS for the number to go up soon to help them. Between them and Minn, it's Minn all the way.

    Since SA stadium, we've seen NYCFC, Orl, Atl, Miami move from "behind" SA to MLS team awarded. Each had no stadium or big $ investors when SA got the stadium built. SA needs something to happen investor wise fast.
     
  14. Alamo City Ultra

    May 15, 2012
    san antonio, tx
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I usually look at the worst possible outcome, that way I'm not too disappointed. That being sad, I could care less whether we go to MLS or not. I will support my club so long as it does not become someone's affiliate or reserve team. My gut tells me, though, that San Antonio will not be in the group of MLS "franchises" awarded by 2020. Can we join LigaMX? We used to be part of Mexico.
     
  15. EPJr

    EPJr Member+

    Los Angeles FC
    United States
    Mar 21, 2009
    Richmond VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    why don't you remind of that on your Liga MX application
     
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  16. 4four4

    4four4 Member+

    Nov 13, 2013
    Land of 10,000 Lakes
    Indeed, but in all honesty we don't know much about the Wilf's and their passion for soccer. For all we know one of Zigi's kids may support NYRB or any other Euro club. His oldest son is at the 22 to 28 year old age and working in the Vikings front office.
     
  17. Macsen

    Macsen Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 5, 2007
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bigger numbers aren't going to help the Scorps. Their attendance is at the expansion window already. They need the ownership upgrade. But if any move happens with Zygi Wilf before that happens, it's Kobayashi Maru for the 21-24 expansion window.
     
  18. greenroom

    greenroom BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If SA attendance needs to go up then Mini U needs a huge step up. If your going by attendance SA outdraws Mini U by a lot. For SA its all about ownership for Mini U its about stadium, And ownership is easier than Stadium to fix IMO.
     
  19. Tigereye

    Tigereye Member+

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    Houston Dynamo
    But money talks. Just ask Orlando City. Get an investor and SA is in. That's all SA needs at this point IMO
     
  20. Alamo City Ultra

    May 15, 2012
    san antonio, tx
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  21. EPJr

    EPJr Member+

    Los Angeles FC
    United States
    Mar 21, 2009
    Richmond VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...so are these new silent partners from MX the real deal or another CUSA?
     
  22. Zxcv

    Zxcv Member+

    Feb 22, 2012
    Either way the vetting process would be much more stringent today.
     
  23. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd be more worried about the new political scene derailing SA.
     
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  24. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What happened?
     
  25. FlipsLikeAPancake

    Jul 6, 2010
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mayor Castro has been extremely supportive of MLS coming to San Antonio. To here Hartman tell it, MLS in San Antonio won't be possible without government assistance, so his support was going to be key.

    But Castro is going to leave the mayor's office to join Obama's cabinet as the new head of HUD.
     

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