Is is possible to lose money in San Antonio?

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Keep parents away, Apr 14, 2005.

  1. Keep parents away

    Keep parents away New Member

    Feb 5, 2004
    Greenville SC
    Would one of you Big Soccer financial experts explain to me how the MLS could possible lose money in San Antonio when the MLS is getting:
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    According to the memorandum:

    The team would get the Alamodome rent-free for 20 games a year.

    The team would keep all revenue from tickets, parking and concessions.

    The team would get half of any revenues from events it co-sponsored with the city, such as an exhibition soccer match featuring teams from Mexico.

    The city would receive 5 percent of any advertising signage sold by the team in the dome and 30 percent of the naming rights payments if a sponsor is lined up before the end of 2006. The city's cut would drop to 20 percent of the net revenue from naming rights if the sponsor isn't landed until after 2006.

    "Alamodome" would be a part of any name.

    The initial five-year lease would include four additional five-year extensions. The only penalty for breaking the lease would be for the team to pay a portion of the $426,000 the city spent sprucing up the dome offices.
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    As I see it:

    Each team only spends 2.1 million on salaries per year .Let's say they spend 1.25 million on travel, advertising, and management.

    Each team gets 1.25 million from the 150 million addidas deal.

    Does that mean that they need to make 2.1 million to break even?

    2.1 player salaries
    .75 travel and management
    .5 advertising
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    3.35 total cost
    -1.25 addidas deal revenue
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    2.1 added revenue to break even

    If they were to only average 14,000 per game at an average of only $10.00 a ticket that would mean they would break even.

    (10.00 x14,000) x 15 = 2.1 million.

    Moreover, my simplistic view does not include sponsorships, other soccer events, stadium naming right, concessions, or parking.

    Please tell me where I am wrong before I call Mr. Garber and tell him I'm ready to buy the Wizards and move them to San Antonio. (interst rates are low. i will get a second mrtg on my house)

    I'm not buying before they move the Metro Stars from the swamp. I don't want my money going down a sink hole.
     
  2. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Re: Is is possible to loose money in San Antonio?

    loose?
     
  3. Detective40oz

    Detective40oz Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    Fairfax, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Re: Is is possible to loose money in San Antonio?

    I like loose chics, but hate to lose money
     
  4. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Re: Is is possible to loose money in San Antonio?

    :rolleyes: It's the opposite of tighten!






    ;)
     
  5. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Re: Is is possible to loose money in San Antonio?

    If you run with loose chicks, you will lose money.

    :D

    Seriously, the expenses outlined are far too low. Most teams spend $3-4 million on actually running the team, outside of player salaries. There are league-wide losses to consider and possibly broadcast timebuys. And possibly more.

    Sachin
     
  6. Keep parents away

    Keep parents away New Member

    Feb 5, 2004
    Greenville SC
    Re: Is is possible to loose money in San Antonio?

    My balls are officially busted. Thanks
     
  7. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The deal put forward in that article is the sweetest I've heard of for an MLS team. Getting access to parking and concession revenue is what many say is critical to making a leased stadium deal work. Throw in free rent and I think a San Antonio team would be in the black. Word from some at the Rapids was that we were "very close" to breaking even last season. Don't know exactly if very close is $10K, $100K or $1M in the red.
     
  8. Keep parents away

    Keep parents away New Member

    Feb 5, 2004
    Greenville SC
    Re: Is is possible to loose money in San Antonio?

    What do they spend the money on?
     
  9. Detective40oz

    Detective40oz Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    Fairfax, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Re: Is is possible to loose money in San Antonio?

    Must be travel and staff, because it certainly isn't advertising.
     
  10. Bonji

    Bonji Moderator

    Feb 4, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Is is possible to loose money in San Antonio?

    Loose chics? Fake boobs!
     
  11. Kaos XIII

    Kaos XIII Red Card

    Mar 28, 2005
    Houston, Texas
    Re: Is is possible to loose money in San Antonio?

    You also have to take into account...

    Corruption - FO people getting new Benz's as Christmas bonuses. Plus the various 'stripper parties' at headquarters, you think they (strippers) are coming for free.

    Kickbacks - to the San Antonio city govt., nothing is for free folks.

    Mafia - To avoid confrontations with the Texas Syndicate, weekly payments.
     
  12. VfB Feuerwehr

    VfB Feuerwehr New Member

    Feb 28, 2005
    In the Cube-Forest
    Re: Is is possible to loose money in San Antonio?

    If they are offering such a sweet deal, what's in it for them in the long-run? It looks like they won't be making very much off of MLS coming to town
     
  13. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Re: Is is possible to loose money in San Antonio?


    Who pays the operating cost for the stadium - cleanup, utilities, staffing.

    No idea how much these might be, but it could be significant.
     
  14. okcomputer

    okcomputer Member

    Jun 25, 2003
    dc
    If that deal is true then its bye bye San Jose.
     
  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually, Kansas City is the team in the rumors, right?

    As a standalone entity, I can't imagine how they could lose money.

    But they're on the hook for 1/12 of leaguewide losses. I think it's unlikely they could lose money even then, but only God and MLS' accountants know for sure. Remember, the standard is for, say, the Gals to pay rent to the owner of their stadium. So the Gals aren't as profitable as a standalone entity as you'd think.
     
  16. Jegao Paraiba

    Jegao Paraiba Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    Morgantown, WV
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only if nobody comes to the games.

    But I suspect people would go.

    The intersting question will be...
    How many people have to attend in order to break even?
     
  17. Arisrules

    Arisrules Member

    Feb 19, 2000
    Washington, DC
    Well the Metrostars reported 5 million dollar yearly losses probably would put a partial dent into those rosey forecasts.

    And what about a training ground? I'm sure that would cost money to rent or build.

    But in all honesty, that deal sounds too good to be true. There is a catch somewhere.

    On the part of the city of San Antonio, they seem like they are desperate to get a full-time/partial tenant into that building.
     
  18. Calexico77

    Calexico77 Member

    Sep 19, 2003
    Mid-City LA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Off topic, but has anyone commented on the irony of a Mexican team taking over the Alamodome?

    Anyone?

    Meh, anyway.

    It is completely possible to lose money in SA. The relocation or start-up costs would be considerable. Depending on how generous they are in terms of staff - marketing, public relations, technical, scouting, etc, plus marketing budget, their first year could be deep in the red. It's all about how far in the red are they willing to go?

    On the other hand, I think whoever takes on this team will be able to recoup any loossess in the first few years - at least do as well as Columbus (which, IIRC, makes a profit until the weight of every other teams losees is counted against them)

    Or? They'll BLOW OUR MINDS WITH INCREDIBLE ATTENDANCE FIGURES! We'll be all "whoa!" :D
     
  19. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not ironic at all, considering what happened at the Alamo the first time around.
     
  20. Calexico77

    Calexico77 Member

    Sep 19, 2003
    Mid-City LA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's just it - history repeating on a really mundane and metaphorical level.
     
  21. Fleetwood Mac #1

    Fleetwood Mac #1 New Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Queens, NY
    Maybe it's too much info but I once had a wet dream about the Metros getting a deal like this from the Giants stadium. Never thought I'd see the day, although it's for a different team. Nothing short of hiring Nick Sakiewicz will make them lose money.
     
  22. Saltenya94

    Saltenya94 Member

    Jul 29, 2003
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    DC United
    so funny i had to see it again - and you thought the punchline was in the beggining. jokes aside - hope this pans gold for mls
     
  23. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    We are gonna be so close to being profitable overall in the next few years. The turning point will probably be in 2007 or 2008, when the Metros (and hopefully DC) have a stadium.
     
  24. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    You mean DC, and hopefully the Metros ;)
     

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